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Wednesday, May 31, 2006
Not a joke
What is the difference between 'Scot-Irish and Irish-Scot?
According to a google search: Scot - Irish were/are Protestant Presbyterians or Lowland Scots. They were not Irish and were not Catholic. The term is an American nomenclature. In England and Ireland the same people are known as Ulster - Scots. Irish - Scots are people who emmigrated to Scotland from Ireland mostly in the 19th and 20th centuries and their descendants. - Commonly know as Irish - Catholics - this group were commonly described as Irish - Catholics - not all immigrants were Catholic - The influenced by Catholic Church was reduced and the term "Irish-Scots" better reflects the character of this grouping. Sometimes the Irish-Scots were known as Scots-Irish but this term is more correctly applied to Ulster Scots. Does this answer your question? Very interesting subject. I've been heavily into genealogy and have learned that my mother's maternal family came from Ireland to Aberdean, Scotland in the 19th century. This I only just recently found out. They were Presbyterians. ....Dianne
Les your up early.....my grandmother would often correct us when ever we'd say or refer to her as being "Scotch" she would say "I am a Scot, Scotch is what comes in a bottle and you drink" ....Dianne
Thanks Diane. Yes, that says it all no doubt. I hired a genealogist to research my family, but she only went back so far b/c she lives in Ottawa. Do you know a good Irish or Scot genealogist in Montreal? My father's 'paternal' ancestors apparently emigrated from Ireland to Scotland to Canada, therefore according to your search they were Irish/scot, however they were presbyterian when they landed in Canada. My grandfather and two of his siblings were raised in an Ontario orphanage. Too many immigrants did not survive the 5 week trip over. And I need valium to fly a mere 6000 miles in 8 hours to the east coast. Hey, I got it rough. My father's 'maternal' ancestors emigrated from Ireland to Canada in the 1800s. All catholics I would imagine. Somehow my grandfather and my grandmother hooked up, fell in love in Montreal in the late 1800s, and had 7 children who lived. These 7 aunts and uncles of mine did not have/save one photo of their mother! Well enough about my family. How about you all?
Hi SecondAve: I don't know any genealogists in Montreal. I found info by surfing on the Net and one late night I came across a web page dedicated to the Brebner family of which my grandmother was a Brebner before she married a Downey. I contacted the chap who put out the info and he said we were related way back in the 1700's in Aberdean, but the families split somehow. He had a lot of info and it was really interesting, he did have my great granparents line as well, it included where they lived and what their professions were....one of mine was a spirit dealer...lol.... Did you do a Google search......Scotland and her People? There is plenty of info there, but you have to register and pay, I don't think it's too expensive...you get so many hits for so many $'s I have tried doing a Google search by just typing in the name and a year and you get info that might lead to what you're looking for. I have also searched the message boards and had some luck there especially on my Father's family who were all French Canadian.. You might have to go back to the beginning and work your way forward as well as work your way backwards...make sense?...It's like looking for the needle in the haystack....perseverence and lots of it..... I'll look through all my hundreds scraps of paper and see if there is anything there that might help you. Oh, BTW, my grandmother's people who came from Ireland were Mullin's. I haven't found any specific info on them in Ireland. Hope this helps somewhat......Good luck and let me know how you make out with this as It is a fascinating subject......Dianne
Hi, When did your grandfather and his siblings come to Canada? The Mormon Church has a free website ( www.familysearch.com) - it has census data but unfortunately not for Scotland - that is found on the Scotlandspeople site, which is indeed a pay site. They do however have the IGI (International Genealogical Index) which contains records from all over the world, including Scotland. If you know where they came from in Scotland and when they emmigrated, I might suggest you join a mailing list for that area at www.rootsweb.com - this is simply an email discussion forum where you are able to ask questions and , may I add, very often get answers. In addition, the National Archives of Canada has some immigration records online for 1925 through 1935 ( http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020118_e.html ) and records for the "Home Children" 1869-1930. I am in Montreal and although I do not ordinarily do research for others I am willing to help as much as I am able. You may take a look at my family at www.taleoftwofamilies.com for which accumulating the data and backup records has taken me over ten years. I hope this is clear, but email me if you would like further help - the research can be a bit dauntoing at first. Helen
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Maybe one is Scotch by 'absorbtion'..............................hahahahah HF&RV
According to a google search: Scot - Irish were/are Protestant Presbyterians or Lowland Scots. They were not Irish and were not Catholic. The term is an American nomenclature. In England and Ireland the same people are known as Ulster - Scots. Irish - Scots are people who emmigrated to Scotland from Ireland mostly in the 19th and 20th centuries and their descendants. - Commonly know as Irish - Catholics - this group were commonly described as Irish - Catholics - not all immigrants were Catholic - The influenced by Catholic Church was reduced and the term "Irish-Scots" better reflects the character of this grouping. Sometimes the Irish-Scots were known as Scots-Irish but this term is more correctly applied to Ulster Scots. Does this answer your question? Very interesting subject. I've been heavily into genealogy and have learned that my mother's maternal family came from Ireland to Aberdean, Scotland in the 19th century. This I only just recently found out. They were Presbyterians. ....Dianne
Les your up early.....my grandmother would often correct us when ever we'd say or refer to her as being "Scotch" she would say "I am a Scot, Scotch is what comes in a bottle and you drink" ....Dianne
Thanks Diane. Yes, that says it all no doubt. I hired a genealogist to research my family, but she only went back so far b/c she lives in Ottawa. Do you know a good Irish or Scot genealogist in Montreal?
My father's 'paternal' ancestors apparently emigrated from Ireland to Scotland to Canada, therefore according to your search they were Irish/scot, however they were presbyterian when they landed in Canada. My grandfather and two of his siblings were raised in an Ontario orphanage.
Too many immigrants did not survive the 5 week trip over. And I need valium to fly a mere 6000 miles in 8 hours to the east coast. Hey, I got it rough.
My father's 'maternal' ancestors emigrated from Ireland to Canada in the 1800s. All catholics I would imagine.
Somehow my grandfather and my grandmother hooked up, fell in love in Montreal in the late 1800s, and had 7 children who lived. These 7 aunts and uncles of mine did not have/save one photo of their mother!
Well enough about my family. How about you all?
Hi SecondAve: I don't know any genealogists in Montreal. I found info by surfing on the Net and one late night I came across a web page dedicated to the Brebner family of which my grandmother was a Brebner before she married a Downey. I contacted the chap who put out the info and he said we were related way back in the 1700's in Aberdean, but the families split somehow. He had a lot of info and it was really interesting, he did have my great granparents line as well, it included where they lived and what their professions were....one of mine was a spirit dealer...lol.... Did you do a Google search......Scotland and her People? There is plenty of info there, but you have to register and pay, I don't think it's too expensive...you get so many hits for so many $'s I have tried doing a Google search by just typing in the name and a year and you get info that might lead to what you're looking for. I have also searched the message boards and had some luck there especially on my Father's family who were all French Canadian.. You might have to go back to the beginning and work your way forward as well as work your way backwards...make sense?...It's like looking for the needle in the haystack....perseverence and lots of it..... I'll look through all my hundreds scraps of paper and see if there is anything there that might help you. Oh, BTW, my grandmother's people who came from Ireland were Mullin's. I haven't found any specific info on them in Ireland. Hope this helps somewhat......Good luck and let me know how you make out with this as It is a fascinating subject......Dianne
Hi, When did your grandfather and his siblings come to Canada? The Mormon Church has a free website ( www.familysearch.com) - it has census data but unfortunately not for Scotland - that is found on the Scotlandspeople site, which is indeed a pay site. They do however have the IGI (International Genealogical Index) which contains records from all over the world, including Scotland. If you know where they came from in Scotland and when they emmigrated, I might suggest you join a mailing list for that area at www.rootsweb.com - this is simply an email discussion forum where you are able to ask questions and , may I add, very often get answers. In addition, the National Archives of Canada has some immigration records online for 1925 through 1935 ( http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020118_e.html ) and records for the "Home Children" 1869-1930. I am in Montreal and although I do not ordinarily do research for others I am willing to help as much as I am able. You may take a look at my family at www.taleoftwofamilies.com for which accumulating the data and backup records has taken me over ten years. I hope this is clear, but email me if you would like further help - the research can be a bit dauntoing at first. Helen
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