Wednesday, August 15, 2007

VERDUN CRAWFORDPARK Legion

Legion branch 212 in Crawfordpark had a lot of good
people there..Sad feeling came over me when not long
ago i drove by it and it was permately closed.History
history and more histories...

John

25 comments:

car_b1 MSN said...

Was legion 212 the one on Lasalle Blvd?   Hi John My name is Carol. I was born and lived on Lasalle Blvd across from the legion until I got married in 1978 and moved to the west island. That stone house is the focal point in so many of our photos and was part of my life.My grandparents owned the fourplex across the street.   I have vivid memories of sitting on the balcony and watching people, and every November watching the veterans stand in the middle of Lasalle Blvd selling poppies.

guy5479 MSN said...

John, Are you referring to the Maison Étienne Nivard de Saint Dizier.wich had the Canadian Legion at one time in its history. It was recognised as an historical building in 1976 by the provincial government. It is the oldest building in Verdun built in 1710. It will be 300 years old in 2010. There are organised visits twice a week (Exterior only for now). Archeology diggings have taken place and are continuing. Hopefully, the interrior will be opened next year after diggings are completed. It would be an ideal place for a museum to show the results of these diggings. I will keep everyone informed. Guy  

car_b1 MSN said...

Yes that is the house I grew up looking at every morning from my living room window. I even have a painting of it, which my mom did for me, hanging on my wall hre in alberta. It still looks great....

finngirl10 MSN said...

I really appreciate getting the history of this wonderful old building that I just knew as "The Old Stone House" when I was growing up in Crawford Park in the 40's and 50's.  I joined a Brownie group there sometime in the early 40's.  Seeing this beautiful building always brings a smile when I visit Crawford Park.  Thanks for the information on this building.  Why was it originally built?

guy5479 MSN said...

Enclosed are the details of the Maison Saint Dizier. If you would like the translation of the last two paragraphs, please let me know. Guy  

finngirl10 MSN said...

Thanks Guy for the wonderful photographs and yes I would love to have a translation of the last two paragraphs.  I feel like I grew up with this beautiful building and it holds many very special memories for me.  Mirja

guy5479 MSN said...

Finngirl10, Here is the translation as requested:   LA MAISON ÉTIENNE-NIVARD-DE-SAINT-DIZIER Built in 1710, la maison Étienne-Nivard-de-Saint-Dizier is part of the cultural heritage of the burrough of Verdun of the City of Montreal. This house of stone and lime is without doubt one of the oldest models of rural architecture of the Island of Montreal. It's exterior aspect reflects the french spirit, caracteristic of the architecture of  Nouvelle-France of that period. It is of bretonne inspiration as demonstrates several elements, notably the roof with its sharp angle of two slopes, the massive volume and square and the two embed chimneys in the gable walls. Property of the sisters of the congregation of Notre-Dame,it is in 1769 that the sisters sold it to Étienne Nivard.The residence will then pass on to several owners up until 1930. The maison Étienne-Nivard-de-Saint-Dizier becomes a municipal property, used as a warehouse before arboring the \Crawford social club from 1940 to 1947 then a division of 202 Crawford Park of the Royal Canadian Legion. Recognised as an historic monument on the 13th of February 1976 by the Commission dess Biens Culturels du Québec, la maison Étienne Nivard de Saint Dizier represents the oldest ancient building of the cultural heritage of the Burrough of Verdun.   Guy   ARCHIVES SHGV

finngirl10 MSN said...

Thanks Guy.  I really appreciate the photographs and the history of this magnificent house.  I live in Los Angeles now but visit Montreal once a year and we always drive by my old house on Clemenceau and admire the old stone house on the way there.  What great memories I have of growing up in Crawford Park.

guy5479 MSN said...

Finngirl10, Nice to see that you live in Los Angeles. My wife has a sister who lives there who has a daughter who has a beauty parlor in Burbank. Its a small world. Guy

_____duck MSN said...

I remember that little stone building. Mr. Bray was a member there. His daughter, Carleen, was my best friend in the 60's. They lived on Richard. Mr. Bray called that legion the 'Blind Pig'. Not sure why.

guy5479 MSN said...

As you can see from the following photo I took today, the building is all wrapped up as there are archealogical diggings going on wich will last all summer and perhaps longer. As a promoter of this old house, built in 1710 and the oldest in Verdun, we  (SHGV) are following the developments closely and we hope that eventually the government agencies will make a museum and all their discoveries will be on display. I am following the outcome closely and will keep you informed. Here is a list of the names that Verdunites have given this landmark over the years: Legion 212 (Blind Pig) Old Stone House Little Stone Building The actual name is Maison Étienne Nivard de Saint Dizier or Maison Saint Dizier for short. It is amazing that this house was never set on fire as do most abandoned buildings. Also, we went by this house hundreds of times and never realised it's historical value. Guy        

les__f MSN said...

Guy do you have this shot........ or what about this one? .........................................Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Guy I will repost these photos ,as the first ones were gigantic..... these shoul;d be easier to be seen,without scrolling .etc etc   Hope that better,..........................have fun & Remember Verdun

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, No, this is the first time I see these photos of Maison St Dizier. I am making copies for our archives. Excellant photos. Thanks a lot. Guy

les__f MSN said...

No Problem Guy ,.I'm glad they will be used again in the future. I had several others over the years ,.but I find that as time goes by,some sites either fold or become part of another one,& the pics get harder to find,.....but we'll keep trying to find stuff of interest from Our Montreal/Verdun & LaBelle province days....... Remember the old song "Every Picture Tells a Story"                                                                                        HF&RV

onesmac0 MSN said...

I love those pictures. where is that exactly?
smac

jmhachey MSN said...

Good Morning onesmac0 ! The old house in the photos is: Maison Étienne Nivard de Saint-Dizier (7244, boul. Lasalle – corner Crawford – Verdun) JM

johnmelinvin2 MSN said...

Guy..thanks for the picture of the "Old Stone House".
Once when i was fourteen or so,( young and Foolish) i
put a few German swakisa on that building..and did i
ever get in trouble for that..and I deserved it.
So glad your keeping us ex Verdunites up to
date....Merci..

John T



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guy5479 MSN said...

Les, Do you have any additional information regarding these magnificent photos of the Maison St Dizier circa 1930 such as date, text etc. We (SHGV) are absolutely stunned to see these photos turn up suddenly as we never seen them before. They are part of Verdun history and will make an important contribution to our archives. Guy 

les__f MSN said...

Hello Guy,..I will look up whatever information maybe with the photo,and either email it or post it here for  you .                       HF&RV                         

les__f MSN said...

Guy the information is very brief: Titre
Religious. Verdun : Maison Saint-Dizier, Boul. LaSalle / Conrad Poirier - 8 octobre 1946 .the same info appears for each of those pictures:        all with the same date October 8th, 1946.......all photos credited to Mr Conrad Poirier:  If I come across any other photo's I will be sure to post them:                                                                                     hf&rv

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, Did you notice how close the Maison Saint-Dizier was to the river as compared to today. You mentioned several times the fact that the river bank is now much further than it was previously and this due  to the fact that earth was added to the shore. The earth came probably from the construction of the subway. The river is now 2 to 3 hundred feet from the back of the house. This is good and bad, there is now more playground area but to us noltagics, it has destroyed the old panoramic view. This combined with the earth added to the shore of nun's island, this has narrowed the river channel. Guy

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gary8403 MSN said...

I remember playing music with the Frank Hodges trio for the Legion at this great building. What a privilege to have had the opportunity to be part of it's interesting past and special landmark.

les__f MSN said...

Guy , my brother ,who is 65 ,tells me he attended 'boy scouts' in this old building.....that would have been in the late 40's or maybe 1950ish....... I was always under the impression that the old stone house was already designated an historical building way back? but I guess we are just lucky that a developer didn't tear it down ,being prime waterfront realestate....whew!!! Has it been owned privately or has it been a City of Verdun (now burrough)  assett? Thanks for all the information ,you've provided so far. I still think it would be a good experience to get into SHGV and look around for a few hours ( maybe days)...maybe I'll get back there again sometime.                           have fun & remember Verdun