Friday, August 17, 2007

RememberThese

Remember the cones ,before the soft ice-cream ones:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
...............and we had a 'double sided cone' too.................... HF&RV

128 comments:

les__f MSN said...

or this guy ,throwing us little kids pachages of peanuts (those little packs,...) wouldn't see that nowadays,.......with all the alergies & stuff                                                   HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

.All the kings horse's & all the kings men ,.couldn't do it..............                                                                                                   HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

the Chapagne of Ginger Ale.......................quite the marketing c_ampaign                                                              hhahahha                                                               have fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

This was a sign ,seen on every little store:........................................                                                                                                  BlackCat                     HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Remember the store near Verdun & Church not quite at the corner,.but there was a door on the Verdun Av side with a big concrete step up into the store that had a sign like this hanging outside,lit with just a normal bulb hanging above it:                                         HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

We dropped a few nickels in to some of these babies,.......or ones similar   Remember getting close to a 'Free Game'   and the tension that surrounded that kind of pressure...............................hahahahahahah and your friends would ley out a howl,when you got the 'Free Game'                                                                            HF&RV

winnie3ave MSN said...





Les. Remember those pinball machines?????? I still play them today. They are not as prevalent as they were when we were growing up.
Now you can see trouble…before he arrives

les__f MSN said...

Remember when every Gas Station,.'gave' you a roadmap,if you wanted,           I cannot think of anything a Gas Station gives you anymore & yet profits are in the Billions of Dollars Annually......but in the old days,they checked your oil,checked your tires,checked your fluid levels,.,,,,and did other things ,free glasses or something,.but they always 'did' something to show that they 'really did Appreciate your Patronage'.........my how we've changed.....................................................................................................         look at the bottom of the map,it says                       "Service"  the Friendly Way................                                                ........  think of that,the next time your pumping your own Gas,  to the tune of a Buck-something a litre..............YIKES                                                                        HF&RV

metalman108 MSN said...

les   last few days the stocks and world markets took a beating on the funds for the housing markets. billions and billions were dumped by central banks to keep it floating for now? the price of gas might go up 50 cents a gallon, in order to start down sizing the debt? a massive mess for our children to handle in the near future

les__f MSN said...

Some big changes need to occur,to try & correct ,this run-a-way train......massive debt by Gov'ts everywhere,......Europe has already started to change,but the USA is just about broke,.......  if China ever 'dumoed' it's holdings,...or the USA & North  America will be hit very hard: Real Estate will get affected for sure,.& most people who got in recently may find it hard to keep their property's As for Our kids,.........I can't concieve of how they will ever be able to actually Own a Home??????  Big Bucks just to get in the Market,and bigger bucks to try & stay in......Makes me wonder How & what needs to change to allow affordable living for most people: I see more & more people really relying on their present jobs to pay their debt's.........Big Houses ,.Big Cars ,Big Trucks,.Boats,.Toys Rescreational Toys & Property's .........all being jugggled by payments per month,.... Yikes, when it comes time to pay up,.a lot of deals will be on the market,if you have the dough............         but North America will survive ,because they will adapt,like always, but some tough times for some will happen for sure ,.especially for those who think the bubble will never burst...................(and it always does) Some will be hurt,......but if your smart,you can make it,..........   Your right Walter (metalman) about the Big Banks had to pour a lot of Dough into the market ,just to head off a real collapse:  

les__f MSN said...

Now here's something that was found around Verdun & Montreal in general,.during the late 50's when (it seems) we were a lot closer to a nuclear attack,...9or so it was thought ) at the time:      "  CIVIL DEFENCE IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS" published by the Civil-Defence Coordinator for Montreal                                        YIKES   6 Rules to Follow in case of Nuclear Attack          ya put your face in the crook of your arm ..................try to avoid the 'melting flesh'  or your forehead will be attached permanently to your arm.                Remember when we were kids,and they'd test the 'Airraid Horns'                                                                                                             hf&rv                   

the lad MSN said...

Les   Remember the corner of 5th and Bannantyne 4 gas stations on the corners..The baseball game at Chez Bessies(steamies)corner of Verdun and Gordon.Had to get super home run to get extra games...   Lad    

les__f MSN said...

Was that the one where the 'ramp' would pop up randomly,....and when it did ,.you could try for the GrandSlam into the upper deck........yahoo when getting that 0one......hahahahaha bells ringing and the little men running the bases,........all fun stuff...........  was it a nickel a game or dime?? I can't Remember :                                                                                                                 HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Some of Pinball history,..............but haven't found a good picture of some of the specific machines ,we dropped our nickels & dimes into ,in the earl 60's but I do Remember almost every block had one store that had a pinball machine,............... Pinball History   1930

First pinball machines appeared in America. They were countertop machines, without legs.

The most popular games were "Baffle Ball", "Bingo" and "Bally Hoo".

The first coin-operated pinball game was "Bally Hoo".
It was invented by Raymond Maloney,who became the founder of the Bally Corporation.



1933

Battery operated machines were designed.

1947

The important part of the pinball machines, flipper, was invented in 1947. It appeared in a pinball game "Humpty Dumpty" made by Gottlieb & Co.



The flippers were not a the same locations as nowadays. But it was the beginning.

1951

The first "slingshot" kickers were introduced.

1953

The first two-player pinball machine is released (pinball machines before this were strictly one player affairs).

1954

The first multiple player pinball machine, "Super Jumbo", is released by D.Gottlieb.



1956

The first "multiball" feature is featured on Bally's "Balls-A-Poppin" pinball machine.



1957

The first use of a "match" bonus feature (a number in your final score is matched at random to a number the machine picks, resulting in a free game, or "credit") in pinball is introduced.

1960

The first "add-a-ball" (extra ball) game called "Flipper" is developed by D. Gottlieb. The add-a-ball award was developed to counter various laws in effect during this period that made it illegal for a game to award replays in certain parts of the country because it was consider a "gambling" activity.



1962

The first drop target was introduced by Williams Manufacturing in the "Vagabond" pinball machine.



1963

The first "spinners" were introduced.

1964

The first "mushroom" bumper (common in all of today's modern games) was introduced by Bally

1966

The first digital scoring pinball machine is produced by a French company called Rally                                   "Free Game"                         hahahaha      HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

the lad:  Do you Remember the name of the pinball machine you mentioned? maybe I can find a picture of it: Here's some old baseball machines ,........with the old "Pitch & Bat" style   How about this next one called  "Extra Innings"  this one looks like the one with the moving ramp ,to hit the upper decks.............   ......here's two plays for a quarter..............where'd we get that type of money          hahahahahaha   ..................check out dead center higher up for the "Home Run"                Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

One more baseball machine from our childhood days,.............             Usually there would be a little pack of kids ,all gathered around one machine watching the play of a friend,..and sometimes (often) the store owner would have to tell the gang to beat it,.as they were cluttering up the store........hahahahahaha                        Have Fun & Remember Verdun

the lad MSN said...

Les   Yup same one.Forget how much.Think it was nickel.   Lad  

the lad MSN said...

LES   Great photos..took me back.   Thanks Lad

cookie3261 MSN said...

Les,  you brought me way back when I saw the LOWNEYS sign....my bro' and I would go there for (what we thought) was the best hamburgers and hot dogs, not just the gret ice-cream cones! just around the corner from 3rd ave on bannantyne...I recall the owner who served us who had black hair ,slim and very pleasant "to  us naughty- kids from 3rd avenue". I recall he grilled the buns and that made them so good back then.   As Bob Hope said many times......thanks for the memories............   cookie

ernsttt1 MSN said...

Yes I remember the hambugers great his name was Lou He had the best hambugers in town 2nd best were Dililos in Ville Emard with banana peppers on the  .Its making me hungry thinking of them. Ernie

ernsttt1 MSN said...

I forgot to mention the Pav and their great Salami burgers real greasy but good..Ernie

judy MSN said...

I forgot about the salami burgers...they were great...as you said real greasy, makes me shudder now to think how many of them I ate

verdunreader9 MSN said...

Remember these?

Attachment: Fw_ ___To All The Girls We've Loved Before_____.eml

les__f MSN said...

VerdunReader9   ( Art ) to quote you once again,with my favourite word these days,..                YIKES,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                    hahahahahahah some good looking gals there,,,,,,,,,, but there all nice aren't they,      They are all Summer Girls,.......................Some er nicer than others,.but there all nice.......................................................................HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Another Gottlieb Machine that many of us probably dropped a coin or two into:                     "Hey Don' t TILT the Game".....................hahahahah HF&RV

len_beast1 MSN said...

    rember these things Rock-Ola 443   1970 its in my living room and still works great my son c'ant understand why my cd have big holes in them and why they are so big

les__f MSN said...

Yes,.those Jukebox's are great,......and the restaurant booths where you could play the Juke box from your booth,,,,,,,,,,,                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Also the old syle Wurlitzer too,.................                  it's still being made,to look the same,almost,except they play CD's of course,...............                        Thanks for the memory jog len_beast                                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Remember the old 'transistor' radios....................   ............that must be one of the first ones,.cause I Rememeber having a few of them,..but they were never that expensive./              Yikes     Remember always wanting to get more & more transistors,..Remember 8 transistor, and then 10 ,...............Nowadays we've got 60 gb mp3 players......                Amazing all the change we've seen                                HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

........................and How about these things......                                                        .....                the Slinky...............    and where better than Verdun to have one of these.........hahahahaha  not like you couldn't find a staircase                                                                                                                                 HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

and Every kid in Verdun had one of these ,...or similar,                                   definetly a far cry from today's 'Super Soakers'                                  That's probably what they cost then ,one thin dime,                                                                                HF&RV

habfan MSN said...

Hey Les,   These things were great, and the "modernization" of so many, if not all things hasn't improved the quality in some cases of many things either. I wish I could get a nesbitt's orange soda, it was the best. Snow White cream soda, oh so many.................   Mike

les__f MSN said...

I would imagine almost all of us have seen this view,before,.while making that climb,to the top of the slide......................................   .............Remember when they first came out with metal slides,.......man those things could get awful hot in the summer sun.........................HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

    Watch  your  fingers...................................................   .............these were the ''modern baby swings' ........We had the old Wooden ones with the nice guillotine piece of wood to pinch your fingers in...... hahahahaha                                                             HF&RV

jellybelly MSN said...

Remember this one?

les__f MSN said...

Remember These: ............Unbeleavble the changes we've experienced,.from 'testing tubes' for our old B&W TV's,..... or testing the tubes for those old radio's we had,.............to changing motherboards & upgrading hard drives,.and flat screen monitors,........ and emailing people all over the world,      .............sure come along way:                                                                                     HF&RV  

les__f MSN said...

The beginnings of new technology..........................                             now we have our system analyzed via our deasktops or notebook laptops,.............recieve 'upgrades' almost daily,..at the touch of  a button.............................................                                     HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

the first 10,000 hours are like money in the bank.....???                   -but that would have been quite a claim,................                 our kids & grankids wouldn't have a clue what a 'tube' was ,unless it was being towed behind a jetboat .......................hahahaha        HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Rememeber all the stuff they sold to kids from the ads on the back of Comic Books?  .........           .....................Did anybody ever send away for any of this stuff,.........            looks like something that might be found in that Trick & Joke Shop,on Wellington.......What was the name of that place near Buckley's Record Store ??   They had 'stink bombs' ,or fake crap & vomit ( yea that looked real) ,.........hahahahah  Itching Powder (flakes of Fibre Glass,or probably asbestos).............Yikes............               HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Ok Here's one for the girls,.................         Now was there really a demand for girls who read Comic books to be able to  kill people...................hahahahahaha     (with One Finger Yet.....Yikes !!!                         HF&RV     

willie MSN said...

I also remember the sqaure (or were the cylindrical) cones. I think they were called rollo. They had thier own special cones as well that the cylinder of ice cream would fit on.

dreamer-2007 MSN said...

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dreamer-2007 MSN said...

Willie, I do remember those cones, and I believe they were called Mello-rolls, they were really special, too bad they have been discontinued, I can taste them as I write about them...very special treat.   Dreamer

santiago890 MSN said...

they were called meloroll
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I also remember the sqaure (or were the cylindrical) cones. I think they
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les__f MSN said...

Remember TV shows like this,.....   ..I'm sure this show ,inspired a lot of us to want to make a cross country trip one day...............and a lot of us did just that.                                     Get your Kicks on Route 66                    Just even taking off for a drive through the Laurentians ,.or the NE States,.to the Ocean (Old Orchard,.or Hampton beach) these were all lead ups to longer trips to Florida ,Texas,.etc etc ,.and eventually a few cross country trips,..........we sure logged a lot of miles ver the years,.              ahhh  the Fun of Growing up & going where you want ,almost when you want ,.in cars we'd be nervous to drive across town nowadays...... hahahahahaha                       .................    HF&RV

biking2006 MSN said...

What yuear was the origiknal Corvett and when they up graded the car which year model Corvett did they use?
Bill

les__f MSN said...

It wasa 1960 Vette,.........   but from '58 to '62 they look quite similar to the average person,......  but the TV show used a 1960 model....    Incidentally '58 ---  '62 Vettes were the first dual headlamp cars,....(4lights) ,,,after that they were all concealed (hideaway headlights)                                                                                          HF&RV

les__f MSN said...



Comments: The 1960 Corvette saw an increased use of aluminum and a new rear anti-sway bar to improve handling. Corvette production topped 10,000 units for the first time.

Production: 10,261
Convertible: 10,261

Engines:
283 (4 bbl) V8 230 bhp @ 4800 rpm, 300 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm.
283 (2x4 bbl) V8 245 bhp @ 5000 rpm, 300 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm.
283 (2x4 bbl) V8 270 bhp @ 6000 rpm, 285 lb-ft @ 4200 rpm.
283 ("Fuelie") V8 250 bhp @ 5000 rpm, 305 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm.
283 ("Fuelie") V8 290 bhp. @ 6200 rpm, 290 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm.

les__f MSN said...

Here's some info from a TV site : It took a traveling crew of 50 people, two brand-new baby-blue (later brown) Corvettes, two tractor trailers and other assorted vehicles to film this series, one of the largest mobile film operations in TV history. http://www.tvparty.com/route1.html   ....I'll bet everyone Remembered them as Red Corvette's ...................                        Blue then Brown...................YIKES                              "I did not know that"  as Johhny would have said                                                            HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Les   Route 66  always been one of favorite vettes..that and the 69-72-73. Stingrays... win a lottery and one day..car cruise couple of weeks back  74 vette 31000 miles supposedly all original...$24K.. almost but nowhere to put it...anyway judging by the picture it appears that the show is on DVD..Thanks for that one I will look for it.Get that vette one day and hit the open road..Man it sounds good.   Lad

biking2006 MSN said...

The Stngray had the fast back I think.

les__f MSN said...



The Rabble
Transworld (Canada) - 1967
Roulette (USA) 1968

Michael Panontin
Five boho lads from Pointe Claire on Montreal’s west island were the Rabble, a nominally funky, oddly eccentric alternative to the Haunted’s straight-on garage rock. The Rabble is a psychedelic curio sadly languishing in oblivion, even as scads of American and international crud is scraped from the bottom of the dustbin of sixties psychedelia. What gives?

Formed in 1966 by leader/guitarist Mike Harris (a slight pause here to allow for fits of apoplexy across Ontario*), the Rabble did the requisite club and bar slog across Montreal island, eventually playing before 4,000 people at the Queen’s Park love-in in Toronto on May 22, 1967. The Rabble, the first of two albums released by the band, found its original release on the Canadian label Transworld in 1967, but after a surprise substitution for Cream in 1968 in Montreal in front of 5,000 fans, the Rabble soon nabbed the attention of U.S. label Roulette, which subsequently released this record south of the border.

Unlike other bands of the era, who strove, ultimately successfully, to establish rock as a serious medium (as evinced no doubt by the emergence of rock criticism at about the same time), the Rabble were eccentric, stippling their music with wit, sarcasm and whimsy, not unlike the Mothers of Invention or the Fugs.

The Rabble kicks off with the spry single, ‘Golden Girl’, a brilliant slice of romanticism that captures stirrings of a more soulful rather than sexual nature. It is a kind of young adult’s quest for a kindred spirit, locating its energies somewhere between the gut and the solar plexus, a marked contrast to the pelvic swagger of the Stones and their disciples of the day. ‘Black Potato’, on the other hand, is a tribal paean, replete with goofy jungle-like chants, to the humble spud, the “almighty black potato”. ‘The Crushing Hand of Mother’ mixes odd time changes with social commentary and the Zappa-esque prescience of “your mother’s got a hold on you, yeah, controls all the things that you do, yeah” before snapping into a staccato guitar riff and then back to its languid lament. And then there is the patently absurd ‘Can I Squeeze’, which belts out some of the nimblest guitar rhythms before popping the gross-out question of the century, “Can I squeeze your boil? Can I crunch it munch it squeeze it eat it?”

The Rabble, while far from being a classic sixties record – it loses itself all too often in a sort of indulgent heavy blues sludge on other tracks, probably considered more adventurous at the time – is a regrettably overlooked charmer of a disc that definitely begs to be reissued. .just came across this site,called canuckistan (music site) ,I remeber this album as being a bit weird at the time..............   but it was from a Montreal westisland Band at the time,...............  I have to admit , I think 'The Haunted' were a lot better,  (different style mind you) but all from a long time ago,.........     http://www.canuckistanmusic.com/index.php?type=3     ..came out in 1967,..............I doubt we ever even thought of 40 years in the future 2007...................................Yikes !!!                                HF&RV

les__f MSN said...



The Haunted
Trans-World - 1967


Michael Panontin
Mid-sixties fuzzbox-driven garage rock was ubiquitous across North America in 1966 and the Montreal area was no exception. Local legends the Haunted, with guitarists Jurgen Peter and Al Birmingham at the helm and singer Bob Burgess supplying the pipes, virtually exploded onto the local scene with their massive-selling debut 7" platter '1-2-5', a local chart topper and now a staple nugget on sixties garage comps.

In early 1965 the teenage trio along with drummer Dave Wynne and bassist Mason Shea entered a local Battle of the Bands contest at the Montreal Forum sponsored by Quality records. With only two 20-minute slots with which to prove their mettle, one inconveniently scheduled in the mid-afternoon and the other in the very early evening, and with the ripe competition including the Staccatos, throaty David Clayton-Thomas, himself mere months away from his own anti-war top-tenner 'Brainwashed', as well as a still struggling Andy Kim, the Haunted wowed the crowd, winning studio time leading to the release (just several weeks later) of their classic '1-2-5'. A second single on Quality, the snarling Them fave 'I Can Only Give You Everything' solidified their local cultdom, Burgess then left after a row with Peter to be replaced by Johnny Monk, and the band jettisoned Quality to press some full-length wax with Trans-World.

In 1967, with their fan club numbering in the thousands and with almost weekly TV appearances, the Haunted would record their only long-player, the self-titled holy grail of 1960s collectors (mint copies now fetch an unfathomably stratospheric $1500+). However, with punk's pre-lysergic precocity on the wane, the na챦ve swagger of their early hits bogged down in the acid sludge of the later sixties, as the 45 rpm single regrettably was giving way to the more serious, adultish LP. A re-recorded '1-2-5' opens side one, but with its listless tempo and with Burgess' spry vocal swapped for Monk's muffled pipes, its effect is more a dull lethargy than snotty punk. Sam Cooke's 'Shake', though, is better, the lads' guitars deftly capturing a proto-MC5 bravado. Other covers of the Stones' 'Out of Time' and Love's 'Message to Pretty', while faithful, seem ultimately dispensable. And at six minutes, the rather tedious heavy track, 'Horror Show', busts out as an explosive Yardbirds-inspired freakout standard for the time, but then lamentably crumbles into a distorted mess.

As with much late-sixties rock, The Haunted is a tad hoary and is hardly the pukka moment that their earlier 45s were (there must be better ways to waste two months rent than on the original shellac). Still, their vital, cocky Quality sides, especially '1-2-5', beg to see some sort of repressing, perhaps as a swell EP or something. ..............................these guys did some songs that were more Stone's like for their day they were a decent group,...........                                                                 HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Need one of these,?  a Newman=Lafleur   taxi cab dome,..............for sale on (whereelse) e-bay,\      in case the above picture disappears,(which has been known to happen) here's the web address   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110184717513&ih=001&category=10805&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST   ...I guess you can sell anything ,..........                        HF&RV

checkers MSN said...

Hi Les,  I've enjoyed reading Verdun Connections for a while.  We moved away when I was just starting grade 5.  What I remember of Verdun was spent mostly around the neighbourhood (Woodland between Verdun and Bannantyne), or places our parents brought us (boardwalk, nat etc).  I've never posted before, as I don't have that much to add, but do enjoy reading other peoples' bits and seeing photos.   My husband is enjoying a late Sunday snooze this morning, but I'll be sure to show him your post, and the music site we weren't aware of.  He'll be interested, I'm sure  ( he's Jurgen from the Haunted.)  Music is still a big part of our lives, and there's still a lot of interest in the old stuff.  Thanks for the info, and the comment.  Cheers, Dale

les__f MSN said...

Hi ckeckers (Dale),.........glad you like the site (both this one & the music site),.I just came across that site yesterday ,while searching for Verdun or Montreal stuff,.and had a quick look through & found those write -ups,.    I can Remember the first person I knew to expose us (verdun teens) to The Haunted (& the Rabble ) for that matter,........was Billy Muir ,whose Dad owned the Muirs pastry shop in Verdun,and we heard all this music in those days,Still Appreciate that sound,but haven't heard it in years, perhaps a suggestion to some of Our radio stations across the land might stir up some replaying of the old Canadian bands (what with Canadian content laws & all)  I wonder if they still have these recordings available anymore ?   I notice that on that music site they link to the present day Haunted site, Does this mean a Reunion is or has happend? Afterall ,there are 'replica' groups hapenning all over, (and some are pretty good) ,.but to hear an (I won't say old.hahaha)  but to hear an 'Original' group play again,would be fun,..................  Of course it would have to be an early show,to allow all us geriatric's to get home in time.................hahahaha Thank your husband Jurgen for providing all of us ,with many hours of entertainment,...........They should re-issue that album,???                                                                HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Meant too add this link to 'The Haunted'  page, I thought it was in the previous post,.but it wasn't .so here it is,for those who knew of this group,or would just like to see what we are referring to.  http://www.thehaunted.com/                                ..HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Hi Checkers   Many moons ago at the Friar's on Crescent I saw a combo of The Haunted and The Rabble...they performed ,played each other's music...just wondering if your husband was part of it.. like I say this was years ago..but it was great to see..   Thanks Lad

oshayne MSN said...

well i remember the haunted played at a VCHS dance...   i believe it was shortly before they released 125...

checkers MSN said...

Hi Lad,  Jurgen's going to sign up, so he can send his own posts.  He spent a lot of time in Verdun in the past too.  Bye for now,  Dale

les__f MSN said...

Here's another old style site,.sort of like the doo-wop,ones we've seen,..........but still prompts memory banks............... http://cruzintheavenue.com/DYRT.htm                                                              Only cam across it cause it had the same name as the topic.........................   Remember These                                                                                                                       hf&rv

les__f MSN said...

Remember this old CFCF TVshow,............   .........not exactly an elaborate set,...........hahahaha                             HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Les   Who is the host in the pic?   Al Dubois?   Lad

les__f MSN said...

Hi the lad:  I think it's Paul Hanover ?? ....................HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Les   Real quick looks like J Peterman from Seinfeld...haha   Lad

les__f MSN said...

Yes your right ,............hahaha       

queenee66 MSN said...

Hi Shayne,  We contacted once before (not on V.C. though) .  How are you??   We ,(Pat  Carole,Helen and I )used to follow The Haunted.   My memory is not as good as it should be  ...so I really don't remember them playing at our dances??  Do you ever here from Miche?? take care, Sharon  

stephenfredmond MSN said...

Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - Jenny Take A Ride http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rfrGV4DhSng Devil With A Blue Dress - Mitch Ryder http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Iyn5JAKZQ   Mitch Ryder In Concert 1980 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eorbS8vmA-U Shake A Tail Feather - Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_FKgKpkVrxw   Steve

stephenfredmond MSN said...

Steve

ricksherry MSN said...

Wow - seeing those bottle caps brought back memories. LOVED Lime Rickey - in fact the other day some friends of mine here in Ottawa were talking about where we all came from in Montreal and I was mentioning The Point and Verdun and that soft drink - I also liked "Snow White". Thanks

shirleyb-h MSN said...

Was Snow White a clear cream soda - I also loved Wishing Well it was in a spiral swirl bottle with raspberry red coloured soda like cream soda only red.  I havc a case of cream soda in the garage - Crush brand and it is pink but tastes like the Snow White. When we used to go with my cousin to Val Morin she used to buy groceries in the village and buy Denis brand drinks I vaguely remember a lemon lime one she used to make us sandwiches on white bread with Cordon Blue veal pork and chicken spread - God what you eat when you are 12.

stephenfredmond MSN said...

http://nesbittsorange.com/   Steve

louise19551 MSN said...

Hi,   Nesbitt orange was my favourite.  Loved it with a grilled cheese sandwich.   Louise

fresco750 MSN said...

Steve, Nesbitt's Orange, Kik-Cola...it doesn't get better than that. I also loved Pure Spring Honee Orange from Ottawa. The Cracker Barrel Restaurant at The West 45th Street Exit on I-95 in West Palm Beach has a JJJoubert and Pure Spring Honee Orange sign hung on the wall inside the restaurant. Anyone heading south to Miami or Ft Lauderdale can pull of I-95 at West 45 Street, dine at the Cracker Barrel Restaurant and enjoy the two Canadian signs. Popdog drove right by this restaurant when he went to Ft Lauderdale. I'll remind him to stop there on his next trip to Ft Lauderdale. Thanks again for the soda memories. Remember, if it's Cott, it's got to be good. Cott, comes in 17 flavors-Walter 

metalman108 MSN said...

fresco   cracker barrel been there several times going towards syracuse ny they have a little store area, selling old fashioned candy, the stuff we bought for 1 cent. i enjoyed going to peter pans diner in fort lauderdale, the food is like old style verdun restaurant, owner is a greek so its good. what a crowd of people that go there, you name it its there love just watching the customers dining there. COTT- always enjoyed there flavours of soft drinks. there stock was 20.00 a share till walmart put the boots to cott stock 5.90+-. walmart lures a supplier into a trap, walmart even owns manufacturing plants in china.  

les__f MSN said...

.after a night Downtown ,.many of you may have had cause to read this familiar Menu:   ............prices may have changed from years ago,.but it certainly doesn't look outrageous for these modern times. I wonder if Danny Barnoff still works there ( I beleive his Uncle Owned the place........................Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Even if you don't care for Magnan's anymore, You can still buy some of their great Pepper Sauce to take out: & it's reasonable 24 oz for like $4.50 .............Great stuff & if you have a friend in Montreal ,maybe they will freeze some & send it to you: Then do your own steak at home & use this Pepper Sauce,... it's good stuff........................................................       HF&RV  

the lad MSN said...

Les   Do I miss those ribs even more now...thanks alot....haha   Lad

les__f MSN said...

the lad;  I know what you mean ,these internet pictures,make it seem like they are right across the street,. Well at least your closer than I am to source.........hahaha Oh well the ribs & steaks & all the other Montreal Food's we like ,can go on a definite 'To Do' list for the future sometine.........................  Although I know that Lester's Smoked Meat ( & I suppose some other ones are available ) online takeout,..............So dar as far as Montreal Smoked Meat goes ( & the Peppersauce from Magnan's ) I have some friends who send it out from time to time.........                                                                                HF&RV Incidentally didn't POM also make small cakes & things like Apple Turnovers ( or was that only Vachon's)

les__f MSN said...

Boy I wish there was a spell check & sentance check on this MSN site................hahahaha                        hf&rv

les__f MSN said...

Remember when your oldman would send you down to the corner store to check the tubes for the TV,........they were the forerunner to us learning 'how to' trouble shoot our computers nowadays ,..and most of us have learned hoe to fix an ailing comouter .............but in those days Remember looking up the number of the tube ( in those days we could see the # on the tube)......hahahahah then finding the corresponding tube receptacle to plug it in,...and Voila hit the 'Test' button,.to either put it in the No Good Bag to take home,........or it was still a good one,....but if you needed a tube ,You would tell the guy behind the counter ,which one you needed,and he would unlock the cabinet below the Tube Tester,.and give you the right one to take home..............................Yikes !! hahahahha We were all technicians in waiting.............hahahahaha     YIKES ,Baby How the hell old have we gotten,.........hahahahah                        Have Fun & Remember Verdun (save the photo,so you can use it at a later date.............hahahaha)

les__f MSN said...

Guess I'd be getting the knuckles rapped good,.for the terrible spelling in the last post,................hahahahah but the Nuns & Brothers never counted on both Our eyesight & having keyboards ,that are clearly too skinny for our fingers......hahahahha                                                   Have Fun & Remember Verdun

biking2006 MSN said...

I think my thumbs are too large for my desk top keyboard.

Used a similar tube tester in the navy back in the day. Very handy.
Bill

les__f MSN said...

I gotcha ,.....these tester's have beeen around for a long time,..but as little kids ,we got to learn how to use them, Not unlike kids of today knowing almost insticntevly how to use todays' tech - stuff,.........   Amazing though that ,most of us were not serioulsy harmed by the High Voltage of some of the TV's & Radios we ,chose to experiment with as kids,.....( just because they were there)..............  I know I got a few good 'shocks' from the big old radio in my room ,that had a huge speaker with it's own power unit ( transformer ??) built right on to it,......and a four pronged plug that went from it (the speaker) into the base of the Radio Unit with all those Tubes....................Fune Stuff Really,.......but a Shocking thing to learn about .,........HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Bill ( SecondAve, biking) ,....Are these testers close to the ones you used?? they are from the US Military TV Testers,   Maybe you will recognise some of them http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopolis/9075/boatanchors.html             HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Testing .........testing................testing.......: Remember this screen......................................................hf&rv

les__f MSN said...

How about the old 'shoe fitting xray machine' so you could see your feet ( or more accurately ,the bones in your feet) through the Xray lens,....................... YIKES Baby,.that's weird stuff by todays standards,..........................................How's your feet feel cause you know we all tried it out................................ Shoe Fitting X-Ray Device In the late 1940's and early 1950's, the shoe-fitting x-ray unit was a common shoe store sales promotion device and nearly all stores had one.  It was estimated that there were 10,000 of these devices in use. This particular shoe-fitting x-ray unit was produced by the dominant company in the field, the Adrian X-Ray Company of Milwaukee WI, now defunct. Brooks Stevens, a noted industrial designer whose works included the the Milwaukee Road Olympian and an Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, designed this machine. [Large image 27K] The primary component of a shoe-fitting x-ray unit was the fluoroscope which consisted essentially of an x-ray tube mounted near the floor and wholly or partially enclosed in a shielded box and a fluorescent screen. The x-rays penetrated the shoes and feet and then struck the fluorescent light. This resulted in an image of the feet within the shoes. The fluorescent image was reflected to three viewing ports at the top of the cabinet, where the customer, the salesperson, and a third person (your mother?) could view the image at the same time. The radiation hazards associated with shoe fitting x-ray units were recognized as early as 1950. The machines were often out of adjustment and were constructed so radiation leaked into the surrounding area. By 1970, shoe fitting x-ray units had been banned in 33 states including Minnesota and strict regulation in the remaining 17 states made their operation impractical. Believe it or not, this particular shoe-fitting x-ray unit was found in 1981 in a department store in Madison, West Virginia.  It was still being used in the store's shoe department! When it was pointed out to the store managers that it was against West Virginia law to operate a shoe-fitting x-ray unit, they donated it to the The U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

les__f MSN said...

Just in case your worried now: Here's a bit of (most likely BS,) too make you feel a bit bettter......... Dear Cecil:

Remember those fluoroscopes we used to wiggle our toes under in shoe stores? We treated them as toys! Overnight they were snatched out of circulation as health hazards. Are my feet a walking time bomb? Am I doomed? --Solly Hemus, Chicago

Dear Solly:

If your feet are a walking time bomb, Sol, it's probably because of your devil-may-care attitude toward changing your socks. At this late date (shoe store fluoroscopes were outlawed in most states in the late 50s), whatever bad is going to happen to you due to youthful X rays probably already has. Studies suggest that cases of radiation-induced leukemia tend to peak 7-15 years after exposure. So if you've made it through this far, you're probably OK.

Count yourself lucky. The nation's 10,000 shoe store fluoroscopes were notoriously poorly regulated during their heyday in the 40s and 50s. The U.S. Public Health Service said the average device emitted between 7 and 14 roentgens per dose, but one study found that some machines emitted as much as 116 roentgens. (For comparison, a person standing within 1500 meters of ground zero at Hiroshima got hit with more than 300 roentgens--admittedly throughout their entire bodies, not just their feet.) There is a predictable relationship between X ray exposure and excess cancer deaths. So we can safely say that some people died ahead of their time due to what was basically a sales gimmick.

Shoe store fluoroscopes were typical of the careless and in some cases frivolous attitude toward X rays that prevailed for decades. X rays were once used to treat benign enlargements of the thymus, tonsils and adenoids, for instance, triggering many cases of thyroid cancer. Pregnant mothers and babies were routinely fluoroscoped by pediatricians, causing leukemia.

In shoe stores, the people really at risk weren't the customers but the salespeople, who were exposed to radiation on a daily basis. (Both customer and salesperson, you may recall, had to lean over the cabinet of the fluoroscope to look in through viewports.) A cursory check has failed to turn up any studies on this score. But when they talk about an old shoe flogger having a certain glow, they probably aren't talking about his tan.
     .........so in keeping with the theme : ( Limbs & extremeties) ..............I'll go out on a limb here & suggest as Dr Cecil does,that 7-10 years after yoyr exposure ,then you should be fine as were talking about 50 years ago for most of us,........

les__f MSN said...

This little storfront was on StCatherine Street,.....but it reminded me of all the little storefronts along Wellington Street,.and of course Bannatyne & Verdun Aves,.....  As kids we would play cards in these ideal locations ,when the store was closed,..Remember leaners,.toppers,....etc etc . I won a lot of Hockey Cards.....hahahahaha   In any case it's a neat little Storefront in Montreal: ...the little Mom & Pop operations,that dotted all of Montreal & provided us with places to buy our candy .............   This one sells biscuits,.which also reminded me of that Biscuit store on Wellington btwn Galt & Church avenue right across from the big church...it always smelled so good in there ,especially all those 'maple cookies' remember them shaped like a maple leaf.    mmmmmm good stuff when your a kid                                                          have fun & remember verdun

the lad MSN said...

Les   The Maple cookies..takes me back...and the hockey cards..I used to think that if I went to a different store I could get different cards I needed to make a set...not really but got to visit all the stores in town..hahaha   Lad

glennlarkin MSN said...

Les, Not sure if it the same, but there was an Oscar's Biscuit and Candy store on Nortre Dame Street.  That was a regular stop for our family.  Cookies from a bin, not a bag.  I think it was long gone by the time I was old enough to head there on my own....

les__f MSN said...

Hi Glen ,  the biscuit store on Wellington also had those bins,and they had all kinds of cookies & goodies,.... the old adage 'just like a kid in a candy store' sure was true when entering that place...........hahahaha Also the address that was with that Oscar's store was something like 4300 block ( roughly StCatherine Street,.) but it wouldn't be the first mistake we've uncovered when searching library's info. I don't remember what year they mentioned,so they may have moved to NotreDame  later ???  or it's just mis-information.  Unfortunately I can't Remember my 'search' question,as I do lots of them,but if I do come across it again,I will post the library info too...                            have fun & remember verdun

glennlarkin MSN said...

Hey Les, no reason to worry about it.  I was not making a correction, just an observation.  And only because there were two reason's I could put up with shopping with my mother when I was young.  She liked the stores on Nortre Dame street, so she went there often.  That meant I got to have a bag of French Fries from the New System restaurant - the one with the walk up window.  And cookies from Oscar's. I am at work, so no time to look for links, sorry!! Glenn

violetbowden1 MSN said...

Hi,


There is still a biscuit store in Verdun I don't know the address but it
is still on Wellington street near church.




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Hi Glen ,  the biscuit store on Wellington also had those bins,and they had all kinds of cookies & goodies,....


the old adage 'just like a kid in a candy store' sure was true when entering that place...........hahahaha


Also the address that was with that Oscar's store was something like 4300 block ( roughly StCatherine Street,.) but it wouldn't be the first mistake we've uncovered when searching library's info.


I don't remember what year they mentioned,so they may have moved to NotreDame  later ???  or it's just mis-information.


 Unfortunately I can't Remember my 'search' question,as I do lots of them,but if I do come across it again,I will post the library info too...                            have fun & remember verdun




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les__f MSN said...

Thanks VioletBowden,......that's neat to see the old store survive,the influx of Big Box stores,....it would have to be a 'must see' along with all my other 'must see' places for food & spruce beer,.etc etc  Although I don't eat too many cookies these days.....but it would neat to smell those Maple Cookies.....                                                                                             HF&RV

edmi2310 MSN said...

I have fond memories of that biscuit store on Wellington.  I used to be in it often.  In 1947 when I was about seven years of age I was sent to buy a bag of biscuits.  The young man serving asked me if I had a sister.  My sister had just been born so I was quite pleased to say that I had.  I didn't realize he was looking for a girl to go to a dance with that night. Edward

les__f MSN said...

Nice story Edward,........It's odd that many of us know this store very well,but I cannot Remember the name of the store ,otherthan calling it the Biscuit Store.....hahahaha I Remember that block relatively well,from the pharmacy at one corner , the convienece store called the'Lucky Spot' ( I used get the oldmans 'final or postcript edition Montreal Star there),....the bank at the other end (Galt side)......and Danny Ortuso's family lived on the second floor around there: But I can't recall the Biscuit Store's name.........hF&RV

ccccccccccccc7148 MSN said...

i think the name of the biscuit stores name was gigi.on the noth east cornner. carol richer

les__f MSN said...

Hi ccccccccccc7148.   The biscuit store I remember was in the middle of the block across the street from the big Church ,perhaps it has moved now??but in the 60's it was in the middle of the block Btwn Galt & Church Avenue, facing the Big Church property:                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Carol is this the store? This one is listed as biscuiterie Sylvestre The address wasn't listed with the picture ,so I can't tell exactly where it is located,but I will look it up and post the info,shortly.                                                                             HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

3987 Wellington for this Biscuit shop,......but according to the map ,it looks like this one is located exactly one block from the original place I knew,.this one is Btwn Church Av & Hickson,almost looks like the old Pascal's front door,or directly across from the old Woolworth's http://www.ziplocal.com/find/cookies-in-verdun   I wonder if it's the replacement for the old store ,or maybe the old place is still there too ? but after almost 45 years I guess,anything could happen.............                           HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Les   GiGi was that not on the corner of Chruch and Verdun across from the old Do Re Mi store.   Lad

les__f MSN said...

Just got this from the lad via Laurie,......I'll bet we've all ordered something off of this menu at some point.     ...............Remember those prices, Yikes !! hahahahah a BLT(3 decker) for .50 cents Apple pie for .15 cents...........................hmmmm .65cents and you've had lunch, you wouldn't get out of there for less than $12 bucks these days hahahahaha               Thanks for sending this lad: & laurie.....  HF&RV

stephenfredmond MSN said...

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQVltR5S0E http://objflicks.com/TakeMeBackToTheSixties.htm

stephenfredmond MSN said...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mkKt6zz6mws http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qmzUKonxZh0 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9LRHZUUYm4U http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OJiC-jiRfEI   Steve

the lad MSN said...

Les   Thanks   Lad

stephenfredmond MSN said...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxwxsFsNjq8   Steve

stephenfredmond MSN said...

  1925Stutz 1927 BUGATTI 1931 Ford Roadster 1939 GMC 1942 Chevrolet 1947 Ford Super Deluxe 1947 Buick 1947 Dodge Steve

glennlarkin MSN said...

Montreal, 1950 - 1960.  Looks interesting.  Though everyone here would be interested: http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/07/23/montreal-in-the-1950s-and-60s/

les__f MSN said...

Hi Glen (glenlarkin) thanks this is a great collage of Montreal's look in the 60's ......some terrific footage along St Catherine & those other shots with the clothes lines.,......hahahaha  a Familiar sight to all of us.  I will look forward to the release of this upcoming film ,I'll request it from my local library & see if I can get it ,when it comes about.....         Great find......Montreal Stuff ..............................Thaanks for the headsup on this link........                             HF&RV

rcdave1 MSN said...

          1952 Allstate A-230 Sedan.... Sold by Sears-Roebuck.       The Henry J... I first learned to drive in this car with my uncle. The floor boards where mostly rotted out and could see the street below. The winter salt played havoc with the metal.   Dave

sabby MSN said...

Glenn,   My thanks for the heads up re the NFB Film and the site.  Very useful and interesting for me as the setting of my novel is Montreal in the late sixties, early seventies when everything began to change after EXPO 67.  This is great stuff and will help me capture that era.     

glennlarkin MSN said...

Somehow I knew you would like it, Les.  It does look interesting and I, too will be keeping my eyes out for it.   Glenn.

glennlarkin MSN said...

What a nice bonus for me then.  Feel free to give me credit when your novel comes out :)  Especially when they make it into a feature film....   Just kidding.  Hope it helps you out then.   Glenn

sabby MSN said...

Hey Glenn,   Actually I do plan on acknowledging VC and some members on another site for helping me in my research material.  A movie?  Be still my beating heart!  One can only dream.  :-)

les__f MSN said...

Does History repeat itself,.......................maybe this Dogpatch Character is approptiate for today's economy...............hahahahha   .............Remember the other character ,that always had a 'black cloud' over his head ( Joe Blyitpcyk) or something like that.........hahahahah  Remember the world got over the Depression ( not with the pills they dish out for it these days) but with Common Sense people helping each other....... and you shouldn't need hard times or a downturn in fortunes to make you aware that helping someone is just a cool/ good thing to do,at anytime..Good Luck .............................and Remember Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Remember Fearless Fosdick..................................hahahahah   Don't forget the Wildroot Cream,......or Brylcream,.......or Score..........Remember that crap,.. & Dippity Doo,....for the Gals........now it's known just as 'Hair Jell'..........yikes ,.nothing new under the sun.....hf&rv

les__f MSN said...

Here he is , with his Black Cloud over his head:                                 ........................I was a little off on my recollection of the spelling of his character's name........but here it is : In conjuring up this ezine's title, I couldn't help but remember the forlorn character in the famous cartoon, Li'l Abner, in that classic Dogpatch community (that might have been taken right from my local jurisdiction here in Virginnie) that walked around with a dark cloud over his head.  There was rain and lightning bolts coming out of this cloud on occasions, and the character never could seem to break free of his tormented station in life.  Turns out this character, created by Al Capp, was named Joe BTFSPLK, which is pronounced just like a Bronx cheer or the common raspberry sound made by politicians when asked to do the right thing.
.................................................Oddly enough this paragraph above was written only two years ago ,to suggest that America was already ina Recession......
I'll post more ,.if anyone wants to see where this came from.......hahahahahah                             HV&RV

mattmullaly MSN said...

I still  remember these radio jingles for that greasy kid's stuff:   Brylcream, a little dab'll do ya, Brylcream, you'll look so debonair, Brylcream, the gals will persue ya, Simply rub a little in your hair.   AND:   Get Wildroot Cream Oil Charlie, To keep your hair in trim, Get Wildroot Cream Oil Charlie, It's made with soothing lanoline, Get Wildroot Cream Oil Charlie, Go get some today, And you will have a tough time Charlie, Keeping all those girls away              

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, Thanks for posting those old cartoon caracters. Isn't the artwork fantastic compared to today's cartoons. Only Blondie has survived from the 30s to the 60s period period. Can you track down other cartoons from that period, you just can't beat them. Guy

les__f MSN said...

Cookie I'm looking for your whislte, with no success yet,.but it has made me come across a lot of stuff we did have as kids,.. so I will post some of these ,here in the Remember These thread,......and I will also keep trying to find your whistle....... hahahahaha  I don't give up easily,.as it took 5 years to find those friggin Cows Heads from the Dairy,.( Thanks to KenCm3,who saw the article in the Gazette),....so in the meantime I hope some of these things bring some memories from childhood days....................................  how about these Chinese Handcuffs: ...or these Laleidoscopes .and the old Balsa Wood airplanes or the ones that flew with rubber bands: ......................There's all kinds of stuff on here,......  even the old Bolo-Bats                                          I'll post more later,but now to find tha whistle................hahahahaha  I did find a Kazoo does that count for anything ?                    No ,well Ok ......................................HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Getting closer Cookie...........found the old slide whistle                                                              HF&RV

louiselafontaine MSN said...

I remember the 25¢ Bolo Bats.  I also remember the
50¢ Red Champion Bolo Bats.  They were thicker and were painted red. 
The rubber band was also longer.

les__f MSN said...

Well these weren't exactly toys,..but they were from the era http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDk_TEM257k ................and unless they get 26 Billion in the next few weeks , you may not hear of this product again,,,,,,,,,,,hahahahaha                                                                HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Good thing we were from the peace & love generation, or the world would really be screwed up today..........hahahahha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOhyZGEllQ   and in case the kids didn;t learn from the old west style justice we could teach them the old Chicago style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o29EGYBbVIA&NR=1 ....but sometimes a 'snub nose just didn't do the trick you just might need one of these to straighten people out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqd5EQXD-g&NR=1                        Sorry Cookie I haven't found the whistle yet.                                                                                     hf&rv

les__f MSN said...

Cookie ........I sure hope this is it,.as I've sat here surfing (and listenint to the habs game,then the vancouver game) & I' have found a lot of things ,many I haven't bored us all with by posting......hahahahahahha (Yet anyway)......and I came across these things that look like the old Wax Lips (went good with a Wax coca Cola bottle)......hahahahha but is this even close       (please say yes,.cause I'm going to bed soon regardless)                       if the picture dosen't show then click on the link:      http://www.musichouseshop.com/store/iw-13004.html                   Have Fun and Remember Verdun

cookie3261 MSN said...

Oh Les, you are hilarious!!! I can't believe you located these silly set-of-lip-whistles !!  I hate to burst your bubble after all that hard searching you did....although I do recall these whistles.....BUT the ones I am talking about are flat,the size of a quarter , when you put it in your mouth (rooftop) and start talking, you have a slight whistle to your speech..... do these ring a bell yet?  Not to worry searching ,of course if you have that much time on your hands -go for it !!  (LOL)  and (smile).......   good luck,  I'll be w a i t i n g ...........w a i t i n g ........ hahahaha   cookie

les__f MSN said...

Hi again Cookie,.no I don't have that much time on my hands ,but I can't help always trying to answer a question,..and sometime (much to Teresa's dismay ,my better 3/4 quarters) she wonders why I search these things........hahahahahhaha I can't help it , I have to get an answer,somewhere...........but I just walked in the door & saw your post,so that in itself willmake me search a few more avenues I guess........hahahahha                                                                HF&RV