I 've started a blog regarding the abandonement and eventual re developement of the Turcot Yards.
It is at neath.wordpress.com
It s been a bit difficult getting started because
1) recent changes in my personal life have left me without any of my own photograhs on this computer for the time being, and
2) there is an astonishing lack of historical information regarding Turcot on the net
So it looks like I may be doing some "hard" research in the coming months. However, I would really appreciate any "leads" any one can provide and, of course, photgraphs are always welcome.
thanks!
Ken McLaughlin
THANKS for stopping by, I do my best to acknowledge when someone leaves a comment,you do not have to be a member here & everyone is welcome. Ps: This site is monitored but not actively posting on a regular basis. Mostly these are stories & some photos saved from a defunct site known as Verdun Connections which was on MSN Groups initially then on a social network called Multiply.
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hi KenCM3,.....you no doubt have seen this site : http://uem.minimanga.com/abandoned/turcot/ there are also a few other sites that deal with Montreal area abandoned workplaces,..I will dig some of them up for you,....also,you may want to track down what you can through the old Canada Car Foundry,.....as they operated many large factory type buildings on CanalBank Road,....which is teh very first possibe right turn,.as you cross the bridge over the canal towards Ville St Pierre,....my oldman had a shop in there for ahwile ,.the old Candiv Steel,.was also in there and a number of other company's,...someone in that complex may be able to shed some more light on the Turcot Yards,,,area,,,,as they most likely at some point had to use them,.......(worth a shot maybe)...I would imagine you've also tried through CNR archives,.or amy train company's,..I will be on te lookout for any info or pics re: this topic,...and I'll let you know what I have found.......Good Luck
Hi, Google "Turcot Roundhouse" - images. Many, many pics. Cheers.
Here's three pictures for you. Steve
Thanks folks,
The first pic is particularily interesting because the building in the background is still there so you can sort of get a very close guess as to where the roundhouse actually was --- directly under where most of the interchange lanes are today.
I would love to have seen that place in action in it s heyday!
Ken
KenCM3,.......Hi Ken,....you can check out these sites also,..they are similar to the one posted yesterday,......dealing with abandoned type buildings,...... http://www.infiltration.org/resources-quebec.html and also this one http://www.angelfire.com/rock/mtlgraffiti/index_i.html these two are a little older than yesterday's link ,.but they have some interesting stuff,about old abandoned bldgs,.....whether they contain more info about Turcot Yards,...I'm not sure,.......but worth surfing through,.....these people that explore these old buildings,...make it easier for people like us to see,them,.because as much as I'd like to explore these bldg's myself,..I just don't think I'd be as enthusiastic about climbing fences,.....and running & hiding & being on the lookout for cops or security people,..........not that it's never been done (coming from a Verdun background).............hahahahaha Just prefer the comforts of home,.....and sort of Exploring by Remote Viewing,.....as it were.............hahahahaha Hope you find some interesting stuff...............
KenCM3 ,......I forgot to add this link to the last post,.this one is a list of places to dind information,..on many Montreal areas,....it's supported McGill,.......these links may provide some more 'direct ' sources to the information your trying to find Good Luck http://www.library.mcgill.ca/gic/guides/GeorgesourcesMtl.html
I added one to many letters in the address link ,I'll try to hit the right keys in this one, http://www.library.mcgill.ca/gic/guides/GeoresourcesMtl.html try this one
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Sandy you can view those photos in the old trains album also...... steve
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Hi KenCM3,
I don't know if you are interested in old maps of the Turcot Yards, but there was one published in 1913 that shows the layout of the rails, and associated buildings including the roundhouse when they belonged to the Grand Trunk Railway. On the same map, to the southwest closer to the Lachine canal, you can see the Canada Car and Foundry Works that seemed to tie in with the Turcot Yards.
This and other collections of maps can be found at the Bibliotheque National de Quebec at this site:
http://www4.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/accueil.htm
Once you get there, click on "Index des toponymes",
then on the "m",
then on "montreal (quebec)", all of this being on the left side of the screen. After that you get a list of maps on the right side of the screen. Scroll down to 1913, where you will find:
"Atlas of the City of Montr챕al and Vicinity in four volumes : volume two / Chas. E. Goad Co
Montreal, 1913
1 atlas (2, 68 planches)"
Click on the magnifying glass and you will get an index map. Click on the yellow part of the map that says "Volume 2"
Click on "Carte-index vol. 2. partie sud"
At this point, you should see a map of what was then the southwest part of Montreal (Including Verdun!!). Just click on the part of the map where you can see the Turcot Yards, and you will get a very high resolution map that you can download and save to your own computer.
It sounds complicated, but it is not so bad. If any other folks like maps, especially old maps of Montreal, this is an amazing site. The guy, Chas. E. Goad, who drew up and published these maps included an incredible amount of detail, which includes where old streams were, where rail lines were and which railway they belonged to, whether the buildings were of brick or wood, and often the names of the businesses. Like I said, you can get maps of Verdun, but also Ville Emard, Cote St. Paul, The Point, Griffintown, St. Henri, or anywhere else of what was then Montreal in about 1913. For example, you can see from the plate of Ville Emard where the Canadian Tube and Iron Co. Ltd used to exist. I think this may eventually have become Dosco, where my old man and brother worked in the 1960s and 1970s. Other maps with the same detail exist for 1890 (Goad), 1907 (Pinsoneault), and others for other years too.
I am a bit of a map nut, and have spent hours drilling down and saving copies of many of these maps. Other members of Verdun Connections may find these as interesting as I do.
Anyways, KenCM3, hopefully this might help your project. It sounds like a worthwhile one.
BrownBlvd
Steve, Thanks for posting those great train pics. I save all those great pictures. Don't know what I'll do with them, but I love 'em. BobB
BobB the're there for the taking,Les posted a link for other pictures I think.http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/ Steve
Hi,
Thanks for the links, Les!
Fantastic map, Brownblvd!
I m something of a map nut too but it seems like i am just getting ariound to it.
weell, I ve seen lot s of railroad pictures but never one like this before. It s in the CN Pointe Yards.
Ken
Ok, now if I can only figure out HOW to show you that picture, LOL??????????
Ken
Hi KemCM3,..........when you hit reply to any of these msg's,..you will see in the bar above the window where your message is,.a group of 'icons' relative to font size ,font style,.....bold,.italic, or underlined,............. etc etc Above that where it says "Type in your message below".........you can either "attach a file" (and then follow the steps),.........or you can Simply hit the square box ,with what looks like a yellow box with Mtns' in it,.......this will bring you to a screen that asks you to choose 'My Computer' and this is what you choose,.......then it opens up to ask you where you have stored your pictures on your computer., then selest the picture ,then hit open,.....then Add Picture............ Take your time and it will present itself quite readily,.......if you have any difficulty from there Ken,.....any of us can help you past that,. but you most likely won't have any problem,........just give it a shot
It looks like I dont get those boxes, Les!
Of course I am using Firefox so maybe it only works with Internet Explorer?
Ken
yup, requires Internet Explorer! so this one in the Pointe yards amazed me. They sure don t build "shops" like that anymore! Ken
Hi KenCM3,.....I had that picture as my desktop photo for a while,....it's a great shot,...and that CanadianScience & Technology site is a good one,with access to all those CN photo's,,......... so did you switch to IE,..
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Steam Locomotives at Turcot Roundhouse, Montreal, 1939
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Locomotive 6205 on the Turnatable at Turcot Roundhouse, Montreal, 1942
X16683 In 1936, Montreal Locomotive Works delivered five streamlined 4-8-4s to the Canadian National, Nos. 6400-6404. These class U-4-a engines were high-speed passenger power, handling premier limiteds until the end of steam. They had 77-inch drivers, 24x30-inch cylinders, and 275 pounds per square inch of boiler pressure. Weighing 379,800 pounds without tender, they developed a tractive effort of 52,500 pounds. Their evaporative heating surface totaled 3861 square feet, and the had a superheating surface of 1530 square feet. This photo from Elwin K. Heath shows No. 6403 near the famed Turcot roundhouse at Montr챕al, being readied for her first run under steam when new. Steve
Hi Ken:
I have been researching my family genealogy and have recently learned that one of my ancestors lived on St. Jean Baptiste C 1900 and later that street name was changed to Bourassa C 1920 and it is or was located in Turcot Village which is where the Turcot railyard is located today, or so I believe. I was wondering if you have any pictures or anecdotal history of the area. I have just now learned that my great grandfather, Honore Boudrias had a grocery store on St.Jean Baptiste/Bourassa in the 1900's. Honore's daughter, Donalda, married Alfred Rollin and lived at that location for several years. My father Georges Rollin was born there. Anyhow, if you or anyone out there on Verdun connections has any info I'd be very interested in hearing about it. Guy 5479 posted the Lovell Directory street info awhile back and I have been able to gather alot of info from that site, it is a great help for anyone doing genealogy research, and it is a work in progress, so more info will become available.
Anyhow, I hope to hear from anyone who has info or interest in this area....I find it all very interesting...Dianne
Dianne, The Lovell directory is available on the Bibliothèque National du Québec site. Once on the site, go to Collection and you will see the different directorys available and click on Lovell. I may be able to help you on your genealogy research. If you would like more help, you can reach me on my e-mail: guy.billard@sympatico.ca Guy
Hi Dianne (HappyDi2) ! Annuaire Lovell Lovell’s Directory http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html An interesting free site for genealogy is ancestry.com Here are the results obtained on Rollin search: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?ti=0&surname=Rollin&given= As you can see, Family Trees has 2,587 matches for ROLLIN JM
Hi Guy and Jean Marie:
Thanks for steering me to the Bibliotheque National du Quebec site. I am sure it will keep me pretty busy researching the various links.
I have checked out ancestry.com, the problem is there is tons of US info for Rollin but not too much on Quebec Rollin's.
I am trying to find info on my g grandfather Alexandre Rollin. He was born in Ste. Genevieve, PQ on 21-08-1860. He had two wives, one of which was my g grandmother. I am trying to find out who his parents were and to trace back to Philippe Rollin my original ancestor who came from France in 1720. Do you know how I can get census info?
I also would like some anecdotal information on the years that my grandfather Alfred [Alexandre's son] lived at 19 St. Jean Baptiste Street in Turcot Village in the 1900's. Alfred married Donalda Boudrias, daughter of Honore Boudrias in 30-10-1911 at Ste.Clothilde, Montreal. They lived with Donalda's parents for a few years. In 1913/14 Alfred was a storeman at 80 Vaillant Street, or that was their residence.. Alfred, Donalda and family moved to Jogues Street, Ville Emard in 1927. In later years Alfred worked at RCA Victor and as a watchman for the City.
In the Lovell's directory it states that Honore's occupation was a 'moulder' Can you tell me what that is?
Anyhow, thanks for your help, and if you have any ideas please let me know.
My email is diannenowlan@hotmail.com
Thanks....Dianne
Hi Dianne (HappyDi2) ! I cannot find your ancestor Philippe Rollin, but I found Pierre Rollin and Dominique Rollin who came from France to Canada. Website ....Programme de Recherche sur l'Émigration
des Français En Nouvelle-France (PRÉFEN) http://www.unicaen.fr/mrsh/prefen/index.php Note in PRÉFEN website introduction: La banque de donn챕es ci-dessous est une banque en construction. A terme, elle comprendra l'ensemble des 챕migrants fran챌ais partis vers les rives du Saint-Laurent et l'Acadie au temps de la Nouvelle-France, soit jusqu'en 1763. Actuellement s'y trouvent 4393 fiches biographiques d'immigrants. D'autres vont venir r챕guli챔rement compl챕ter cette banque de donn챕es destin챕e principalement aux chercheurs en g챕n챕alogie et en histoire. *** The data bank below is a bank under construction. When completed, it will include the all the French emigrants who left towards the St. Lawrence valley and Acadia at the time of New-France until 1763. Currently there are 4393 biographical files of immigrants. Others will regularly come to supplement this bank of data intended mainly for the researchers in genealogy and history. JM
Hi Dianne (HappyDi2) ! Another interesting free website on genealogy: FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/ Data on Alexandre Rollin: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100384169846&lds=1®ion=11®ionfriendly=North+America&frompage=99 JM
Hi Jean Marie:
I am almost 100 % sure that you found the right Rollin's. I will do a little more digging around just to double check, but from what I see I would say they are my relatives.
Philippe Rollin a soldier from La Loupe [Eure-et-Loir] arrived in New France [Montreal] in 1720.
Married Charlotte Blenier 13 Sept 1723 in Montreal.
Philippe died 23 May 1738 in Pointe Claire, and buried 24 May 1738, Pointe Claire.
They had several children, the oldest was also called Philippe and he had three wives and I am descended from one of them, or so I believe. Very distant relatives have researched the genealogy of Philippe but my line gets lost along the way and so I am trying to figure it out.
So many thanks for your help and if you come across anything else please let me know.
Dianne
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Guy or JeanMarie, I also got valuable information from the Lovell's site that was posted. I am wondering if either of you fellows would know where (or if) there is a list of ships that arrived (very possible at Quebec City) from England around 1912. My grandmother came over then, but I am trying to find out what ship she would have come over on. I have found lists of ships, but none from that date. I realize this is a longshot, but I am at a dead end on this question. Cheers.
Hi Linda:
My grandfather arrived from England on the ship " Montreal" which set sail from Liverpool and arrived in Halifax in 1911.
Many ships landed in Halifax at Pier 2 where the people went through customs and health checks before taking the train to Quebec and the West. Pier 2 no longer exists due to the construction of the MacDonald bridge.
You can write to Pier 21 National Historic Site, 1055 Marginal Road, Halifax 425-7770 There they have a good data base of info on immigrant's arrivals.
You might be able to get information from the National Archives of Canada, 395 Wellington Street, Ottawa, Ont K1A 0N3
Good luck....Dianne
Dianne, Thanks for the info..... Cheers.
Hi Dianne & Linda ! Some infos on the ship "Montreal" MONTREAL
The first "Montreal" was built by C.S.Swan & Hunter, Wallsend-on-Tyne (engines by Wallsend Slipway Co Ltd) in 1900. She was a 6,870 gross ton ship, length 469.5ft x beam 56.2ft, one funnel, four masts, twin screw and a speed of 13 knots. She was launched on 28/4/1900 for Elder Dempster's Beaver Line and sailed from the Tyne on her maiden voyage to Montreal and London on 4/7/1900. She then left London on 26/8/1900 on a single round voyage to Montreal before being transferred as a troopship between New Orleans and Cape Town for the Boer War for 7 voyages. In 1903 she was purchased by Canadian Pacific, together with the rest of Elder Dempster's Canadian assets. She was rebuilt to 8,644 gross tons and with accommodation for 1,000-3rd class passengers in 1904, and in April of that year, made her first London - Antwerp - Quebec - Montreal voyage. In August 1914 at the outbreak of the Great War, she was at Antwerp undergoing engine repairs, together with the "Montrose" which was waiting to bunker. The "Montreal" transferred her coal bunkers to the "Montrose", which then towed her, together with a large number of refugees to Gravesend. On 1/4/1915 she was requisitioned as a troopship, and on 29/1/1918 was in collision with the White Star Liner "Cedric". She was taken in tow, but on 30/1/1918 she sank 14 miles from the Bar Lightship, Liverpool with no loss of life. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.3, p.1306-7] [Canadian Pacific-100 Years by George Musk] - [Posted to the ShipsList by Ted Finch - 19 March 1998] More at: http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipm.htm Have a nice day ! JM
Turcot Yards........worked as timekeeper there for Cliff Horseman..eons ago.CNR date started April 1956..till Dec. 1969..
Hi beeaired did you have those old time clocks ,that you opened with a key,.and it released a separate key ,....sort of a verification that the rounds were made
Oops...nope was timekeeper that filled in the time on cards and submitted them to get paid..hmm now if only could have had a few ghost employees...naaaaaaaaa
Hi Beeaired,
I d love to see any photographs you might have or hear any stories you have from that era!
You were there for the demolition of the roundhouse and the switch (pun intended) to the intermodal era.
Must have been amazing!
Ken
Ken here are some links to Turcot Roundhouse. http://www.railways.incanada.net/candate/candate.htm http://railfame.ca/2002/honour/Montreal http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_in.cfm?id=79&index=9 Steve
Ken Steve
Thanxxx for the pics..great work..as was divorced in '85..lost most of my personal items.
Hi there, Been away a while and doing catch up all over the place. Here 's one I scanned out of a book recently. That was the biggest roundhouse there was in Canada! Ken
Here's the first post on the subjest of 'Walking Turcot Yards' ,....posted by Ken From: KenCM3 (Original Message) Sent: 1/15/2006 9:53 PM I 've started a blog regarding the abandonement and eventual re developement of the Turcot Yards.
It is at neath.wordpress.com
It s been a bit difficult getting started because
1) recent changes in my personal life have left me without any of my own photograhs on this computer for the time being, and
2) there is an astonishing lack of historical information regarding Turcot on the net
So it looks like I may be doing some "hard" research in the coming months. However, I would really appreciate any "leads" any one can provide and, of course, photgraphs are always welcome.
thanks!
Ken McLaughlin ....................................................................................................... I did read Ken's material on his blog, and it was interesting,....so if you like ,by all means visit his blog site,...and check it out again,........ I haven't been on the site for some time ,so you may have to look for it?? but it will most likely coincide with the date of his post here.........Good Luck
http://neath.wordpress.com/ Ahh been posting for 6 years on here at least.. Cheers ! HF&RV - Les
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