Thursday, April 26, 2007

More Trams

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dflood64 MSN said...

OK File too large for MSN Site. So here goes in three sets. Set 1

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dflood64 MSN said...

OK Set 2   Will be 4 sets//

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dflood64 MSN said...

OK   Set No. 4   Whew

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dflood64 MSN said...

OK   Set no. 3 will be last.   Damn MSN

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les__f MSN said...

dflood64,       That is a good slide show,........the STM site use to have these pics,just as individual photos ,but I like the slide show,especially if you use the Full Screen option,.and sit back & take a tour of early to mid fifties Montreal,....... in one shot there is a streetcar just passing a parked Molson Beer truck (which actually looks surprisingly like a more modern size & look of a newer Hino Truck,. or some of the GMC that have made an appearance in the last several years,...... but back to the slides ,.you really get the 'feeling' of Montreal,......I can Remember sitting in my oldmans car ,and those were the scenes to be had, Thanks for bringing it back to Prompt our memory's ............ Seeeing we have so many new members (especially over te past year,...I think it's good we post a lot of the Montreal Pictures ,that some of may have seen ,but still appreciated,by all:                             Have Fun & Remember Verdun

mom1945-linda MSN said...

Thanks dflood64 for the wonderful memory prompt.  I loved riding on those street cars and can still remember them.  Nice presentation you did also, easy and simple.  Thanks.

les__f MSN said...

I just came across this site re: LRT for Montreal,.proposed anyway,........... JMH   Fresco   Dflood64,............and other Transit ,tramway,.streetcar & rail fans................................. Check out this site if you like,.   Transport history Nothing remains of the vast urban and interurban tramway networks that once served the Greater Montreal area. At its peak, the local tramway undertaking of Montreal ran more than 1000 trams over 500 km of tracks. Between 1942 and 1958, Montreal operated a handful of modern PCC trams, numbered 3501-3518. For a long time, Montreal wavered, as it actually needed hundreds of PCCs for fleet renewal, but there was no money. In 1959, all trams were withdrawn, followed by the closure of the trolleybus network in 1966. Some say that trams and trolleybuses could not cope well with the steep gradients of many city streets of Montreal. Others say that occasional freezing of the overhead wires caused problems. But the main reason behind the tramway closure was the politicians’ dislike of 'ugly' overhead wires. There is an alternative. This is a 750 v dc-powered, standard-gauge rubber-tyred metro, resembling the rubber-tyred metro lines in Paris. Montreal has a network of four metro lines, all inaugurated in the late 1960s. The metro lines follow the rectangular street pattern. Line number 3 is not used; it had been allotted to the commuter line to Deux-Montagnes (which runs through a tunnel linking it with the Central Station). But the Deux-Montagnes line was never upgraded to metro standard.   http://lrta.info/articles/art0107.html            Hope it's of interest:                         Have Fun & Remember Verdun

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les. It would be fantastic to see streetcars return to Montreal. Three Canadian cities had PCC streetcars. Toronto had the largest collection of PCC streetcars, next was Vancouver and bringing up the rear was us in Montreal with only 17 PCC streetcars-Walter

les__f MSN said...

Fresco nice to hear from you,.............Here's a little news re: Tram Stuff(Bus stuff) maybe you and JMH and a few others may find interesting,.but here in Vancouver ( the transit company ) really has a very Green Fleet already,........but is according to this article ,adding one of the most modern,.Bus's to it's fleet....................................... Hydrogen bus fleet to debut in Whistler B.C. government announces $45-million for fuel-cell-powered vehicles, expected to hit the road by 2009 WENDY STUECK From Tuesday's Globe and Mail May 1, 2007 at 2:50 AM EDT VANCOUVER — Forget those noisy, diesel-belching dinosaurs you might think of as the standard for public transit. By 2009 in Whistler, you should be able to hop on a whisper-quiet hydrogen-powered bus that leaves nothing in its wake but water vapour. The mountain city, a host venue with Vancouver for the 2010 Winter Olympic games, has been chosen as home base for a fuel-cell powered bus fleet that's expected to showcase hydrogen technology — including, potentially, B.C.-designed systems — to a global audience. “Our goal is to see the world's first fleet of fuel-cell buses on B.C. roads by the end of 2009 to showcase B.C.'s commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions and the potential of hydrogen technology as an energy solution,”   http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070501.wbchydrogen01/BNStory/National/home   ...........................Also htere is to be a new Cable Car betweent Blackomb & Whistler .........two Mountains here in BC on the coast,................ You should try to visit out here before the Olympics 2010,...............  

biking2006 MSN said...

Am I mistaken or does Calgary have the only commuter transit totally powered by wind farms?
S.A.

maggiemck MSN said...

I had never heard that Calgary's C-Train was run by wind power before. I wonder where this could be verified.

biking2006 MSN said...

It may already be in service. Exciting stuff.Bill

http://www.apta.com/services/intnatl/intfocus/windelec.cfm

les__f MSN said...

No Bill (biking) You are not mistaken,..........I saw program a little while back ,talking about how Calgary is really turning into quite an efficient 'green' city,.inspite of it's being the HQ for the Oil Industry in Alberta Canada: It was quite an interesting program,..... ( I'll try to fin some site ,with clips from the show if possible) but Here's an article to start you off,.if you like: Wind-Generated Electricity to Power Calgary's C-Train By Ron Collins
Calgary Transit
Calgary, AL C-Train light rail customers in Calgary will being "Riding the Wind!" in September, when Calgary Transit becomes the first public transit system in North America to power its light rail transit system with wind-generated electricity. This program, being developed in partnership with Vision Quest Windelectric and Enmax, will provide 100 percent pollution-free operation on the system. Under the new, innovative program, Vision Quest has installed 12 additional turbines at its wind farm in southern Alberta and is selling wind-generated power to Enmax, Calgary Transit's supplier of electricity. The entire 100 car C-Train fleet will be driven by wind power, resulting in no pollutants being released into the environment. The elimination of emissions from the C-Train system is expected to contribute significantly to the city of Calgary's goal to reduce its corporate carbon dioxide emissions. "We are a leader in this area, and proud of the fact that our customers can ride the C-Train knowing we have taken this significant step towards reducing the environmental impact of urban transportation," said Calgary Transit General Manager John Hubbell. In May, Calgary Transit's "Ride the Wind" project received a Federation of Canadian Municipalities CH2M HILL Sustainable Community Award for leadership in renewable energy. The use of wind-generated electricity to power the C-Train system will avoid the annual generation of 26,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide that would have been produced by the burning of coal or natural gas for the generation of electricity for the system. This is equivalent to eliminating 7.5 million vehicle trips in Calgary annually. Levels of other pollutants, such as sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxide, will also be reduced. The program also is expected to provide greater budget stability for Calgary Transit by establishing a 10-year price structure for C-Train traction power. This structure will significantly reduce uncertainty that has resulted from the recent volatility in the Power Power Pool price of electricity. Operational costs of using wind-powered generation may increase at a nominal premium of one-half of 1 percent per passenger. However, when compared to the environmental benefits, Calgary Transit believes this is a small price to pay. Travel via C-Train provides an environmentally friendly alternative to private vehicles, with a three-car C-Train carrying the passenger equivalent of 545 private vehicles   .............................Oddly enough Bill,.this article is on a site called  /American Public Transportation/          http://www.apta.com/services/intnatl/intfocus/windelec.cfm  

les__f MSN said...

Another site 'Ride the Wind' The C-Train
The C-train is Calgary's light rail transit system. Every day, thousands of commuters hop on board to go to school, to work, shopping, and more. The C-Train runs on electricity, which is carried above the tracks by overhead wires. Powerful electric motors propel the C-train down polished steel tracks, giving the train a quiet, smooth ride. Electric motors are far more efficient than automotive engines, and produce no harmful exhaust emissions. The Calgary light rail transit system is powered by electricity. Source: City of Calgary By giving commuters a fast, reliable transportation alternative, the C-Train helps to solve traffic problems. Each day, riders board the C-Train 189,000 times. If each commuter had traveled alone in his or her car instead of on the C-Train, the daily mileage would have amounted to 1.2 million kilometres. These car commuters would have used 107,000 litres of fuel, and produced some 270,000 kg of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, carbon monoxide, and other pollutants. The C-train is not only a convenient form of alternative transportation, it is an environmentally friendly one too! http://www.re-energy.ca/ridethewind/backgrounder.shtml   This site has a lot of interesting information (matter of opinion I guess),...but Have a look around it....................                 .with any luck .there may be some relief from dependency on FossilFuels.........(but I doubt the oil company's will allow that to happen without a fight)...............................hang on to any oil stocks,for a little while yet...................hahahahahaha

les__f MSN said...

Sorry Bill,...i didn't notice that you had posted the American Public Transportaion site ,.in your post,.....................I should have read it completely ...........................................................................I was too quick to research the topic,than read the whole post..................hahahahahaha

jmhachey MSN said...

Additionnal infos on Light Rail Transit in Calgary ... powered by wind-generated electricity . Ride The Wind Commencing 2001 September 1, Calgary Transit entered into a partnership with ENMAX and Vision Quest Windelectric Inc. to develop a program (Ride the Wind) that uses wind-generated electricity to power the CTrains. There are 12 windmills located in Southern Alberta that generate the wind-power. The equivalent amount of power used by the CTrain is sent to the main power grid. The windmills generate this power. Although the CTrain itself does not produce CO2 emissions, the supply of electricity used for CTrain traction power used to originate from coal or natural gas powered facilities that do produce greenhouse gases. Using wind-generated power currently reduces CO2 emissions by 26,000 tonnes annually. As the CTrain lines are extended, the savings in emissions will also increase. It is expected that the "Ride the Wind" program will increase power costs by less than one-half of one cent per passenger. Awards: Since the implementation of the Ride the Wind! initiative in the latter part of 2001, Calgary Transit has been the proud winner of two prestigious awards. In 2001 Calgary Transit won a Federation of Canadian Municipalities CH2M HILL Sustainable Community Award for its leadership in renewable energy. Most recently, Calgary Transit was the recipient of a 2001 Pollution Prevention Award in the innovations category. The award is presented by the Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment. The CTrain is now 100 per cent emissions free. It is the first public Light Rail Transit system in North America to power its train fleet with wind-generated electricity More at: http://www.calgarytransit.com/environment/ride_d_wind.html http://www.calgarytransit.com   JM

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les,
I had some blood clots in both lungs and spent eleven days in the hospital so I've been out of commission for awhile. There were two days that I did not think I was going to make it but us Canucks can take a lickin and keep on ticken. Remember that line from the John Cameron Swayze commercials for Timex watches. Hope all is well with you out in God's Country. You need to get some Light Rail Streetcars in Vancouver to help out those great Vancouver trolley busses get people around town. Victoria could use some Light Rail Transit also-Walter

les__f MSN said...

Yikes Fresco,.that's scary stuff,................... your right about us needing LRT (in Victoria),.........but they've been talking about this for 30 years,.I have an article from a 70's era,local paper,staing the need for some sort of mass transit,.....and tey used the same excuse 'then' as they do today.......  1: not enough people to warrant it                               & 2: of course ,.too expensive................hahahahahah            It will never get less expensive,..and when is it enough people,            

les__f MSN said...

Jmh ,...Fresco,...Guy,......and a few others into Transportation rail or otherwise, Here's a few links to some that you may already be aware of,........but nevertheless........here you go     Other sites with PC photos Railpictures.net search for Penn Central pictures. RRpictureArchives.net search for Penn Central pictures. George Elwood's PC Photos: Part of George's fantastic web site. David Dupler's Railroad Web Page : by David Dupler. Good PC photos. Tim Vermande's PC Page : A collection of PC locomotive photos. ...checkout the whole site if you like: http://pc.smellycat.com/index.html

les__f MSN said...

Sandy & Fresco,.& maybe a few of our other Stateside members,.you may want to forget the car,.for a little 4 day excursion to Montreal on the 'Weekender'   Montreal Weekender railway journey deluxe Between New York City and Montreal, Quebec 2007: Four Fantastic Days Private Charters Available throughout the year            Exciting rail journeys featuring breathtaking views of the majestic Hudson River Valley and pristine Lake Champlain set amid the regions tallest peaks.      now that would have to be a Fun little Escape Check it out further at http://www.railandcruisetravel.com/MTRweekender.htm   You only live once,.(I think),.so have some fun & go visit Verdun)

les__f MSN said...

Oh oh ,....I found another one..............hahahahahaha this for Our New England residents,...................... Montreal Tramways Company No. 2052, built by Wason in 1927, originally was owned by the Springfield Street Railway, and was one of 39 cars sold to Montreal after motorization of the last two remaining lines in the Western Massachusetts city in 1940. Upon arrival in Montreal the Springfield cars were rebuilt extensively at the Tramways' Youville Shops to conform to fleet standards. The work included converting the cars to single end operation and lengthening what were now the front platforms. In 1952, No. 2052 became one of a number which were reconverted for double end service, with its other platform lengthened at that time.   http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/international/2052.html

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
This trip looks fantastic but I came down to earth when I saw the price of the trip. $11,950...yikes. You never know though. Maybe Sandy will be a good sport and spring for a few tickets and we can all take a ride. Sandy, I'm holding my breath so hurry up with the tickets-Walter

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
In 1985 I rode The C Train past The Stampede Grounds. The streetcar ride was fantastic and I enjoyed seeing the famous Calgary Stampede Grounds-Walter

les__f MSN said...

whoa !!!   Sorry bout that Fresco............I didn't look at the cost of it,.......I would bet that any of us could arrange a 4 day weekend ,train trip included for far less than that,..........12 g's for a weekend to Montreal ,just from NYC ,.is a little steep,.considering You know both of those city's well enough to get a deal,.for far less............................Oh Well it was the thought that counts....... (let me know ,how the tapping Sandy thing goes)..................hahahahahahah Yikes..........................hahahahahaha

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Loved these sites. Many thanks. Remember Provincial Transport. What a great bus line there were. Also enjoyed streetcar # 2052. I loved those Springfield streetcars. Remember that they had those nice leather seats, not the wicker seats like the other Montreal streetcars had. Someone should tell the people at Seashore Trolley Museum that the Ontario streetcar should be # 5, not # 60. I went to The Seashore Trolley Museum back in 1963. It was fantastic. I understand it's a lot bigger now with three miles of running track. When I was there the ride was about a mile or so but still a lot of fun-Walter

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Sandy better hurry because I can't hold my breath much longer. Just taking the regular Amtrak Train from Montreal to New York and back will give you all the great views of Lake Champlain, Lake George, The Adirondacks and The Hudson River. I'm not sure of the fare now but back in 1998 it was $80 round trip. How about those Senators tonight? What a game. Plus one of the bumper shots going in to the commercial showed the Buffalo light rail trolley going along Main Street in Buffalo. Remember when NHL teams rode the trains. I remember a time when it hit the news that Bobby Hull and The Chicago Black Hawks had a bit too much beer and caused a big commotion on the Boston to Montreal train. The Black Hawks apologized to the passengers and paid some damage to the CPR for whatever happened on that overnight Boston to Montreal ride-Walter

les__f MSN said...

Yes Fresco ,......I Remember hearing story's of eventfull train trips by the original 6,..........I'll bet they had some real fun As for the $80 bucks round trip,.that leaves quite a bit left over for Steamies & Spruce Beer,.etc etc ........hahahahahahah     .....but i hope Sandy springs for the 12 g's,...because you just might be a heavy tipper.                 hahahahahahah                        HF&RV

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les__f MSN said...

Here's a little Historic Streetcar dispaly ,.prior to the opening of the Metro I guess,......maybe some of you saw this display of old streetcars,...when it actually was taking place,.............  Fresco ,you got around Montreal quit4e a bit & always seem to have good recall,..Did you ever see ,this type of display in a city park,.early or mid 60's I would guess:   ........Look at the little kid with his Mom,.He's never seen one of those streetcars before (not operational) as they ceased using them around the real late 50's wasn't it?????                                     Btw Sandy Thanks for the Train Trip,.........hahahahaha but I did save your train aniamtion,.(thought it was neat).........hahahahah                                                                                                      HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Now there's an old Tram/Streetcar,................  NotreDame,...... .......................................Machinery always facinated kids & adults a like:

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Sorry, I missed this streetcar event. I just learned from your posting that this event even happened. In 1965 I went to work in New York City and was not in Montreal for the opening of The Metro. I remember the excitement visiting Montreal and taking my first Metro ride. I used to buy The Montreal Star a lot in New York City and I'm surprised that I never saw this in the newspaper. It sure is great seeing the old streetcars again. Montreal should have replaced them with new ones like Toronto did-Fresco

fresco750 MSN said...

Sandy,
This is fantastic. You only live once. Now that you've got the tickets I will no longer hold my breath. You are definitely on the right TRACK getting these tickets. Thanks so much-Walter

edbro68 MSN said...

The boy in the picture with the tram is wearing a Telegram delivery boy's hat. At that trime they were numerous as flies.                   Ed

edbro68 MSN said...

When I said numerous as flies I meant Telgram Delivery boys not hats. Ed

biking2006 MSN said...

The below email was received after he opened the Powerpoint file on street cars in Montreal. If you'd like the PP file, send me your email address and I'll send you the attachment..
Second Avenue.

"Beleive it or not I have been on every one of these streetcars except the maintenance & 1800-1900 ncars. I have travelled on them from Verdun to Mtl., East (Boys Club) to Mtl., North (Pie IX) where my brother John lived.. ( I escorted my sister-in-law on my Dad's orders many times when my brother was busy playing basketball in Verdun or against the YMHA on Mt. Royal Blvd.) Many good memories."

les__f MSN said...

List of the Last Tram Routes in Montreal,   ......................had to post it in this size ,as that was the only way to be able to read it effectively.............................................note the copyright 1941,by MTC                                                        HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Same list in a bit smaller version,........   ................................Don't know how recognizable anything will be in this size ,..but there you go.......................................      can't say I didn't try,hahahahaha                                         have fun & remember verdun

les__f MSN said...

Here's an old Montreal CCF Brill (??) ,................but it's on duty ,in Mexico City now that's getting your money's worth out of your initial investment..... many of Montreal's aging fleet ,.turned up in Cuba,...........but some as you can see made their way to Mexico too ! Look at the open window,.Remember trying to open some of these ,with the two latches on each side of the window,..........and some were hard to open,.......and also the odd one would just 'slam closed' after going over a bump or two..........hahahahaha  Had to watch your fingers,......Remember handing a transfer out the window to a friend so they could get on the bus ...........hahahaha   ........this old buggy ,has certainly seen better days,...............perhaps even taking you or Fresco on a ride too???

les__f MSN said...

Another oldie,......................now I have to get back outside & get the final stuff done to get ready for Our (hopefully long) summer season of BBQ's etc etc ,.....             Well that's it for the Montreal Surfing for a while,..........talk to all later                                                                                                    HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Jean-Marie, Les,
It's great to see this old MTC bus still going in Mexico. It would be nice if the Mexicans kept it in better shape. Remember the MTC Trolley busses were painted in that cream color. They were not brown like the regular busses. The MTC kept their trolley busses in top shape. I loved riding the trolley busses so I would guess that there's a good chance that I rode this bus many years ago.

les__f MSN said...

Here's yet another Bus related site,..................I'm sure Our resident experts,..... JMH & Fresco most likely have already visited this site,..........but it's called  'Busfan'......................I may have even posted it ,in the past,.but I don't Remember............         http://www.clic.net/~jacmatte/busfan/stcuq_list/stcuqlis.htm                       have fun & remember Verdun

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Thanks. Great site. It's my first visit but I guarantee that Jean-Marie has been here. Love this 1956 bus pic-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

For the JMH & Fresco crowd,.................here's an old building related to Trams & Southern Countie Railway ( I think):??     ...................Just some more Montreal type stuff,......but not sure if the link will last,....So for those of you who have an interest in these type of pics,.then by all means ,.save these little rascals to your hard drive,...........                                                                 have fun & remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

For the Tram Fans:........Fresco ,....JMH,.......etc etc ,........... You guys probably have seen this site,.but I haven't ,so I thought I'd post the link for you.....Have a look,.it seems to be inforamtion ,.on the City of Montreal's trams in 1941 (id I understand it correctly) THE GS TRAM SITE MONTRÉAL QUÉBEC, CANADA 1941 http://www.tundria.com/trams/CAN/Montreal-1941.shtml   Have a Look ,if you like ,......and Remember  Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Ok now I see it's an updated (slightly changed) site that has all the same type of links,.that I have visited before,......but nevertheless it has some neat old info,...................so if you have a quest for knowledge of all things old & new in the Montreal Tramway/Streetcar/Bus / or rail,.then you can find all sorts of links on this site,. Here's a quick link to Transit Systems roght across Canada............   http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~wyatt/streetcar-list.html   ................................................................have fun and remember Verdun

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les ! Interesting sites. Also this one from Montreal’s Tramways Co (1941). http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/cargeo/htm/trba0141.htm JM

fresco750 MSN said...

Hi Les,
I have to type fast before Jean-Marie answers this ahead of me. Pictures # 1& 2 are in the St Lambert car barn yards of The Montreal & Southern Counties Streetcars. Pictures #3 & 4 are by Youville Square in Montreal-Fresco

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Thanks for this site. I love it. Also The Belmont Park postings. Belmont Park should still be in business. What a great place it was-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Fresco  &  JMH,.........have you seen this Transit site,.it seems more & more of these Transit sites are popping up,.....I imagine there's some pictures here you guys may not have seen yet? ( Is that possible?).....hahahahah   http://mystic.fotopic.net/                                      Check it out if you like,................HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Fresco   &    JMH  ,...............looks like were trying to revive a trolley idea of travel.....the western community's here are starting a 'rubber wheeled' type bunch of trolley cars,..........maybe it's the start of something more to your likeing,..tracks etc etc.............  Seems like a neat idea,..........what do think Fresco ,JMH.....are these guys on the 'right track' here's the story from this mornings Times-Communist Langford's trolley starts this weekend Bill Cleverley, Times ColonistPublished: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 Langford will time the launch of its new municipal trolley service with the Langford Fun Festival this weekend. The new rubber-wheeled trolley will be featured in the parade Saturday and then begin service Sunday for a four-month trial, Mayor Stew Young said. The idea is to run the shuttle on a figure-eight-type loop between neighbourhoods like Bear Mountain and the big-box store areas, Goldstream Avenue village and the Eagle Ridge Arena, Young said. Some of the 21 distinctive trolley bus stops are already installed for what will be a one-hour loop hitting all the Langford hotspots. "It will be on the busiest roads," Young said. "We've run the bus on it already. We've timed it all and we've tried to hit all the major areas where the transportation corridors are and where the major shopping and attractions are. So we've run it by the main nucleus of our town core." The trolley will begin its route at the Eagle Ridge Arena; loop around the Westshore Town Centre; head down Goldstream Avenue to Veterans Memorial Parkway; head up and loop around Millstream Village; continue up to Western Speedway and the Bear Mountain Resort and then back. Langford initially will run the service with one trolley it has acquired from a Seattle company for $60,000 US. The cost has been underwritten by the local development community and the municipality hopes bus-side advertising and donations cover the operating expenses. "We'll run one to start and if it's successful, we'll add another four or five," Young said. "Were doing a four-month trial and then we're going to regroup and get it all figured out. After the trial, we're going to look at doing it at Christmas for a Christmas lights sort of thing and shopping areas ... or if it's successful we'll just run it year-round."                                                                   HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les, More infos on the Langford’s trolley http://www.district.langford.bc.ca/newsarticle.asp?TopicID=425 It’s a bus operating on bio-diesel. The Trolley will operate on B20 Bio-Diesel fuel.
We have one similar to that (using propane gas) in Val Jalbert, Lac St-Jean. JM

les__f MSN said...

Thanks JMH  ,.trust you to find something in my own backyard.....hahaha I will say this ,that not that very long ago,.Langford ,Metchosin,.Colwood ( which make up Our Western Communities),.were really slow in development,....but I would suggest to anyone ,that if you can invest in these communties,.....your property will inevitably sky rocket,..........The people in power out there have been on a constant improvement plan for sometime now,...Metcosin really needs no help , as they have beautiful properties,with acreage (and not really far from downtown Victoria),............Langford /Colwood,..has been steadily growing ,.....and I have to say they've been doing a great job,...........(mostly from a young progressive thinking Mayor name of Stew Young)........... they have enticed big business,.as well as small business,.restaurants ,..and the like,..............the roadways have been really improved,.by the big business being told it can locate a store here,.but it has to contribute to the locale: Checkout Bear Mountain ,.which is a High End Golf Course & Hotel & Residential area as well./            I have to commend these forward 'thinking' powers that be,.for at least not being afraid to allow growth,...but also using common sense,................this area seems to ,be the inevitable 'new' type of Downtown,..............................  (which works for me,.as it will entice more people to move out that direction,...They are proponents of high rise buildings,......etc etc etc ...................and that in time will bode well for OPur end of town,.as well...........being a more quiet ,reserved type of place.....hahahah  If they only new.......hahahahaha  Here's a link to the Bear Mountains Communities http://www.bearmountain.ca/  also you can checkout the Metchosin propeties too............. So gather up all your suitcases full of $$$$$$$  and come to SuperNatural BC.................(Remember the BC part ,........means Bring Cash)........hahaha                     Thanks for the added info on the Trolley 's for LAngford                                                             HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Hi Les,
They're on the right track but they should do like Dallas, Memphis and Tampa. Put down tracks and get the real trolleys. These three cities all bought new streetcars that are replica's of olden day trams. Service is very popular in all three cities. We have the tram bus in West Palm Beach. We were on it last week. It's nice but it's not a streetcar. It's a start though and I hope the Langford trolley does well-Fresco

edbro68 MSN said...

I wonder why they don't go to tram buses? There would be no need to lay tracks and still have the benefit of electricity without pollution. Also the bus can pull to the curb where the street car used to block traffic.      Ed

fresco750 MSN said...

Ed,
Streetcars on tracks are smoother to ride than busses. You can run them in tunnels like many cities do. In many cities they run the streetcars in pairs of four streetcars during the rush hour. It's like a small train. You could never do this with busses. Streetcars hold more people than busses and really move people out of downtown areas during the rush hour very quickly-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

I suppose this has more to do with the,interest's of Fresco & JMH,.and our old member MPU,.....but since Trains were of some interest to some of us,..... I thought I'd mention this book I came across today,(quite by accident),.but it may be of interest to some of our Boston Mass. fgans as well........   Here's the lowdown:  I came across a book called :\                              "Passing Trains".......by a fellow named Greg McDonnell, Passing Trains
Greg McDonnell
Boston Mills Press, January 1996 Passing Trains examines the changing face of Canadian railroading over the past 50 years. The work of North America's finest railroad photographers is featured in more than 200 colour photographs, as well as gallery-quality black-and-whites. Travel back in time and enjoy an intimate view of old-order railroading. Greg McDonnell describes the conditions and changing scenery of the people working on the trains.
..........but aside from his book ,I just now came across a treasure trove (whatever that means),......all about Canada's Trains if it's of interest to you ,.you just might find some different stuff..hope so: This site is referred to as "Canada by Rail" ...................hope you guys like it   http://www.canadabyrail.ca/intBooks.html                           "Have Fun & Remember Verdun"

jmhachey MSN said...

Fresco750 (Walter), I agree 100% JM

les__f MSN said...

This odd old car was built for Grand Trunk Railways ,..it was used at the Inauguration Ceremony of the opening of the Victoria Bridge, on August 27th 1860,......................the Victoria Bridge was considered an engieneering marvel in it's day,..........and was opened officially by the Prince of Wales,.........and the carriage was to carry observers, .........................for the rail fans out there,...........................                                                                                                  ...HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

The old Montreal Tramways Building,..probably one of the first ones I'd guess,.seeing that the year claimed on the picture is Btwn: 1914-1918   ....Maybe one of Our more knowledgeable Tram afficianado's  

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Thanks for the site and web info. I have booked marked the Canada by Rail web page. As for message 67, this looks like the MTC carn barn that was at the end of St Lawrence Boulevard in Montreal's north end. I will bounce the question over to to Jean-Marie Hachey-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

I know there's a few of you out there with a background ,tied to the CPR ,.....and of course we also have Our resident experts on many of Canada's Mass Transit .........   Fresco  ,.JMH,.......etc etc        Here's part of an article in one of todays papers,...... The idea first surfaced in July, 1867, when Canada's Confederation brought four eastern provinces together to form a new country. As part of the deal, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick were promised a railway to link them with the two Central Canadian provinces - Quebec and Ontario. It was the promise that a transcontinental railway would be built within 10 years, that brought British Columbia into Confederation four years later. On October 21, 1880 a group of Scottish Canadian businessmen finally formed a viable syndicate to build a transcontinental railway. The Canadian Pacific Railway Co. was created on February 16, 1881. The engineering feat was completed on Nov. 7, 1885 - six years ahead of schedule - when the last spike was driven at Craigellachie, B.C.. The Canadian Pacific railway grew into Canada's first conglomerate, to include hotels, real estate, shipping and oil and gas businesses. CP Rail built some of its own steam locomotives as early as 1883. It would later build its own rail passenger cars, making it second only on the continent to the Pullman Co. of Chicago.   .................Yes   the old Canadian Pacifi Railway,...may now be sold to Foreign interest........ ./........................   the whole story can be read at:                      http://money.canoe.ca/News/Sectors/Industrials/2007/07/18/4349982-cp.html                                               

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Thanks for this great site on St Lawrence Boulevard. I thank God that I was lucky enough to have taken the streetcar from Craig Terminal and rode over the entire route before busses replaced the trolley cars in 1952. I was only nine years old but still remember my ride. The same situation for St Denis Street also. Remember a while back there was a posting that Trevanian's best selling book of 1976 "The Main" was supposed to be re-released this summer with additional information on St Lawrence Boulevard. Border's Book Store told me that this is probably in Canada only. I tried The Chapters Canada Book Store web sit and there was nothing on the re-release of The Main by Trevanian. If anyone has information on this I would appreciate if they could post it. Many Thanks-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Fresco,.you may want to try your own local Library,.and ask if they can help you with an inter-library loan,....Usuall y they are more than happy to try & help,...I would think that a Montreal area library would most likely carry this Trevian's "the MAin" if you contact your Library then be armed with the ISBN #,..and the Authour,.and the publishing company......the more info ,the more likelihood of success......God Luck                             HF&RV http://www.boulevardsaintlaurent.com/en/index.aspx?sortcode=2.18.18.28   maybe there is some information on this site: it's simply called BoulevardSaintLaurent,.......................the link above brings you to the mention of another book written about the MAin,.......but not the one you mentioned,.....................look around it,.....if you like,.and I'll try to get the proper information for you

les__f MSN said...

Here's Trevanian's own site,..and the book in question,........... http://www.trevanian.com/books/main.htm                                               Check it out /...................the ISBN is probably there somewhere as well.....................                             HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Fresco ,.being that you live in Quebec South,.......you might just want to cruise some of the used bookshops,.seeing that there is a large number of Canadians living there,there just might be some real interesting finds,in some of those old bookshops,...........???   Just a Thought also Here's two leads on books about Montreal,.I have read the top one ,..City Uniques,....this is a good book,..if you ever lived in Montreal and you read this book ,.you can really relate,to the City,..you might like this book:.........I beleive SecondAv (Bill C) also read this book,and I think he liked it too. the Second book I haven't heard of,.......but may check it out as well: William Weintraub.
City Unique: Montreal Days and Nights in the1940's and '50's. Toronto: McClelland and Stewart Inc., 1996, 332 pages, $32.50, cloth. ISBN 0-7710-8891-0 Dorothy Williams.
The Road to Now: A History of the Blacks in Montreal. Montreal: Vehicule Press, 1997, 235 pages, $18.95, paper. ISBN 1-55065-065-3                                                    HF&RV

metalman108 MSN said...

hey-les   i got this pic for you, remember the 50, upstairs  

les__f MSN said...

Thanks Walter,.(Metalman),..........I did spend some time up those stairs,...... It actually started out ,with a decent Restaurant lounge Dining Room,.in the back section,.and of course the Bar50,.......which took up most of the floor,.seldom did you see people (dining),..but you often saw people boozing,.........actually one gal who worked there,was named Suzanne,....and she would cook you a Hamburger if you liked,.and they were really good,... but I have to admit I had a lot more Quarts of Beer,.than I ever had Hamburgers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hahahahaha  Spent many hours with lots of real 'characters' from all over Montreal,.sat through more than one police-raid,......and saw somethings ,that (I never saw)..................hahahah in Montreal you learn to see & hear everything,.........but coincidentally you also Saw & Heard Nothing..................................hahahahaha                  Thanks for picture,.i was looking at the reflection in the window of the store downstairs (which used to be an IGA),.but I couldn't tell if the Gas station was still across the street,.right where you took the photo from,. aslo Did you get to go to the old Centrale Pizza,.....(corner of 3rd & Centralle) SW corner......They actually had not bad Pizza's (at one time) it was a little sparse in that restaurant ,.but,when your loaded it was a good snack....................Yikes,.....   How about Momma's on Dollard in the small stripmall beside Bert's Bar (a friend of mine's Uncle was Bert),.......the restaurant we called Mama'a was Miss Dollard (or something like that),.. Lasalle had a lot of watering holes,.& eateries,............spent the early 70's wasting money in those dives...................but the lessons were worth it. there was another restaurant that opened almost directly across the street from mama's as well.............Good Pizza too,............but I think in those days if a beer was available with your meal,.then the meals autmatically tasted better (most of the time).......................Don't know how we survived those years,..sure couldn't do it these days,.nor would I want to,.....a BBQ at home with a few cool ones,.is quite enough.............Unless of course some of my Montreal friends show up,then you never know what can happen.....YIKES   ............................all good fun,...... Thanks Again for the picture,& telling me it was there,................   HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

I see you added some other pictures too,.Good stuff,..........            I usually am aware of new additions ,.but sometimes I miss checking the site thoroughly enough,.........  I always recommend that everyone should have a look through all the albums,.as there are some interesting old Verdun pics,.and stuff to remind us of our old stomping grounds,always worth the look...........................                    Thanks Again       HF&RV

metalman108 MSN said...

  les the gas station still there, took the pic standing at the gas station. sent you pic of central pizza, did you know the owner of kostas still owns it, i talked to him yesterday. my bro told me central was better pizza than woodlands pizza?? so i ordered 2 extra large all dressed for home at home every one got pissed at me, this is not woodland pizza told them lets taste it first, woodland is much better pizza but like i told them, its better than this lebenese pizza here in ottawa. later nothing left, so central is good also  

metalman108 MSN said...

yes the 50- drank a few times on a saturday afternoon, always when leaving looking down that stairway, must be hard on someone, when the bouncer leads you to that stairway out?? know all the places my place was the feista in the point, old man hogan heard you swear out the door. treated that place like a officer of the bismark, he knew how to handle us verduners later on working in the east end of montreal with my fellow carpenter brothers more wild on that part of town, i seen some rough places, my french was bad but the brothers told others he's one of us??  

les__f MSN said...

Wow that's a fancy sign,......back in the early 70's it was just a real plain sign,.....you could actually walk right by it ,without even knowing the restaurant was there,......... I did order a Woodland Pizza one time when I was visiting 6 or 7 years ago,.and the one they sent was burnt,.and was not the quality I was expecting,...........but even in the Verdun Days,...I preferred Rex's   & I also liked Trevi Pizza,......as well as Mikes (later called Da' Michelle's...guess why?  hahaha),............there were so many really good restaurants around Montreal,.......because it was true competition,.they tried to make a good product,.....not like these Franchise Dumps around today,.where they are almost all the same from one restaurant to another,......but it stands to eason because they all use the same few suppliers.........That's why a Mom & Pop joint is al;ways neat,.because it may be a little different from time to time,..but it's usually good.................    Thanks Again Walter for the pictures ,.always appreciated..............    Now Mamasan is telling me, that were going for a walk down to the beach,.....so I will be back later,.........                    HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Walter, I think that the photo on msg #67: http://groups.msn.com/VerdunConnections/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=46299 is the Canadian Car & Foundry site in Lachine (manufacturing of streetcars). Can you confirm ? I know that some Montreal streetcars were built at MTC Youville Shops. JM

les__f MSN said...

JMH  I worked in the old Canada Car Foundry duildings that were along the Canal bordered by NotreDame,.just over the Lafleur St Bridge,..almost under the Ville St Pierre overpass,.(not quite),.......but when you crossed the bridge from VilleLasalle side ,.you wouls make an immediate right hand turrn into the 'Yards' the address was actually 300 Canal Bank Rd. these yards became home to many business's ,.Including Hawker-Sidley,.Candiv Steel,....Corpac/(later Airpac..or vice-versa) they made Lionel Camper Trailers,.as well as many other things ,....(I worked in there,..) the yards also held a few other company's too,.....My oldman's last shop was in here too,.......  I do not think that the picture in question is this location,......this was right at the beginning of the Turcot Yards almost,..........there was the Transfer Restaurant right on the Corner of NotreDame & Lafleur,.as well...I had a few 'grill cheese sandwhichs in there'........ When I found that picture through the Collections Canada Site ,it didn't say specifically where the picture was taken ,.but rather mentioned that it was MTC's first building ?  Hope that may help, Incidentally in those same yards on Canal Bank Rd,...I got to drive a train,(the kind that shunted the cars around the yards,..it also had wheels & tires,so it could drive on pavement as well as the adapter to drive on the tracks,.............Mr Gaston Paquette ( the yards guy,.allowed me to give it a shot,.......he was a good friend of ours & a super nice guy,,,,,always came to my oldmans shop.............................However that's another story......                                                       HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Thanks Les for all the details, Do you know if they built all the Canadian Car/Brill buses for Quebec in that factory in Ville St-Pierre ? Do they built buses for exportation there also ? JM

jmhachey MSN said...

Trolleybus on St-Laurent circa 1952, Archives de la STM re: msg #70 (above) Photo: http://storytelling.concordia.ca/workingclass/project55/index_clip_image002_0000.jpg Is there someone who remember the route (number and name) of the trolleybus in the photo ? JM

edbro68 MSN said...

Not to be argumentive Hach, but the trolley bus was never on St.Laurent. It ran on Amherst street to Lafontaine Park. In 51 to 53 I took the 55 bus from Craig terminus to Rachel every day. There were no street car tracks left there at that time.        Ed

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Ed ! Thanks Ed. You give me the opportunity to discover that there have been at least 5 trolleybus lines in Montreal.   Maybe this table is not complete ? What about: 1-Amherst-C. Colomb, 1-Amherst-Dufferin, 1-Amherst & St-Louis Annex. Were these all troleybus lines ?   Another point: One of these trolleybus lines rode on St-Laurent Blvd: 26-Beaubien   +++ More on trolleybuses in Montreal: Montr챕al Trolleybus Photos 23 MR 1937 — 18 JN 1966 1947 Brill 4027 on the Amherst line. This series of Montr챕al trolleys (40 vehicles) had windshield wipers suspended from above the windows. Photo by Peter Cox. 24 MY 1966. 1952 Brill 4108 on the 26 Beaubien line. Unlike other Brills 4108 had inward folding doors. It was the only Montr챕al trolleybus to be charted--on the June 19th farewell tour. Photo by Peter Cox. 24 MY 1966. 1937 AEC/MCW/EE 4000 on the 26 Beaubien line is about to cross a street with streetcar tracks. It is not known whether streetcars were still operating on that unidentified line. Photographer unknown. 1943. 1947 CCF Brill T44 4015 on Jean-Talon St. on route 95 Belanger. The Brill following is unidentified. Photographer unknown. Montr챕al 4042 is at the Canada Science and Technology Museum in Ottawa, the only survivor. 100 CCF Brills were sent to Mexico City, where they ran for another 20 years. 40540and 4058 were damaged in accidents around 1955. 4089 was sold to another Montreal-area operator, for a failed attempt at conversion to diesel-electric power; and 4067 was held until the early 1980s for possible preservation, but eventually scrapped. http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/phono/Montreal-Photos.htm Also interesting: Montreal Routes (trolleybus) http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/phono/Montreal-Routes.htm JM

biking2006 MSN said...


It was on this day in 1814 that a man named George Stephenson made the first successful demonstration of the steam locomotive, an invention that would fuel the Industrial Revolution and dramatically affect the settlement of North America.

Stephenson had never had any formal schooling, but he taught himself how steam engines worked by taking them apart when they broke down, and eventually he learned how to build them from scratch. He made his first successful demonstration of the new invention on this day in 1814. His engine pulled eight loaded wagons of 30 tons about four miles an hour up a hill.

By the 1830s, trains were already traveling 60 miles an hour. When the first transcontinental railway lines were completed in the 1870s, a cross-country journey that had taken several months suddenly took only seven days. The railroads shrank distances and increased the speed of life, while fueling America's economic expansion and industrialization.

edbro68 MSN said...

Talking about Railroads Bill, the best description of building ours is found in Gordon Lightfoot's 'Railroad Trilogy.'             Ed

the lad MSN said...

Metalman   Re the 50. One night stands out...such bad shape the guys I was with actually rolled me down the stairs to get me out. Then leaned on the hedges of the house next door. Covered in snow. guys figured it was funny. Could not walk down so next best thing. Not a mark too. Next day the old saying Never again.  Thanks for the memory prompt.   Lad

metalman108 MSN said...

hey-lad   for sure those stairs were bad, lucky you came out ok back of my mind told me don't drink there at nite?? remember now, back then in verdun, those balconey drinking nites forgot his name, he fell off a balconey, later he was in a wheelchair    

biking2006 MSN said...

I was a huge Gordon Lightfoot fan in the 70s and 80s. I went to see him perform in Honolulu back then. He seemed to enjoy four letter words while interacting with the audiences?
I have all his LP albums somewhere. I have listened to the 'Railroad Trilogy' many times, and of course he nailed it as he usually did with all his compositions. Great times. The railroad was as high tech as it could get in the early days of Canada, something on the order of space travel today I think.
Bill

edbro68 MSN said...

Bill, I would personally recommend Lightfoot as Poet Laureate for Canada. Here's a poem by the former P.L. George Bowering. He has written 60 books of poems and I can't understand any of them.                    Ed Whatever you do, do not
slam the year open with a bang,
waken the child
sleeping under that tree
into terror, that tree
dying in our back yard,
birds lining up to mourn. You

wanted a cheer for new
lang syne? Have you looked at the under
cutting of the North Shore mountains,
have you heard four wheel drives
passing your sweet coup챕
on the rain slick of Burrard?

Let that babe sleep, let
chainsaw rest in watershed,
tell politico it's all right to be short,
tell him forget auld acquaintance,
have a look at this
sleeper 'neath our tree,
wake this sweet bairn if need be
with a cup of kindness, two handles,
show this dear drowsy head
the home made paper you're holding-
it's the deed, hand it to that kid,
say keep this here, don't
let them take it anywhere, south or up the tower.

That's right, compa챰ero, and say, that wee critter
looks powerful like you, you
must be proud, lucky dad.

As an earthquake rocks a corpse
in its coffin in the clay

so are you rocked in your desire,
so do you meet a living January,
so does Nature, call her that again,
depend on your doting, how we have
reversed our lot, oh Death
we address not, but list with new ear
to the Spirit herself utter her fear
of us.

       Look, we've wakened the child, how
can we teach her be not us,
how give her power and sweetness,
and tell her what acquaintance should
be forgot?

             Spread a rictus along your jaw,
dad, help raise a whoop and pretend
this will one day all be hers,
poor orphan, whose face even now
is shaded by that dead branch.
Complete List
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the lad MSN said...

Metalman   Guess I was to out of it to go tense. Did not know the story you mentioned. Maybe someone else does?   Lad

edbro68 MSN said...

That's amazing Hach. Have you got all that info in your memory?  Ed

les__f MSN said...

I am sure we've posted this before ,.I think it was JMH who posted it,.and asked which streets these were,............ .....For you streetcar fans,..................................you already know the location I guess:                StJacques (Saint James originally)or formerly                                         HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Mainline track over NotreDame,.with another Tram in the picture too:

les__f MSN said...

This site may be of interest to the JMH's & Fresco's,..........out there click on the site and scroll down to the StJerome Train,.(or the Train is coming to St Jerome)........seems to be a lot of stuff re: construction photo's & train cars,.etc etc . Also many other links re: Cabanes A Sucre......and stuff like that,........ May be worthwhile searching all the way through all the different links,........You never know what great old Photo's may be found I'll search it further tomorrow,.........but Don't Forget Everyone                            Have Fun & Remember Verdun http://www.lakemirabel.com/TrainStJerome.html

les__f MSN said...

Seems they did resurrect some usage out of some old CPR right of ways,..........Sounds like a neat escape,.for a quick trip: Bike Trails Along Railroads

Throughout the United States and Canada, there are numerous bicycle trails that either run alongside existing railroads or run on the abandoned right-of-way of a railroad.

In Qu챕bec, the longest one, the "P'tit Train du Nord" runs for 200 kilometers (120 miles) from Saint-J챕r척me to Mount-Laurier on an abandoned Canadian Pacific route.

South of Saint-J챕r척me, this route continues to Blainville alongside what will become a busy rail commuter line. Photo above shows its route past the new intermodal terminal at Saint-J챕r척me.

In Central New York State, a great trail runs on the former Troy & Schenectady branch of the New York Central Railroad.

Further downstate, abandoned portions of the New York Central's Putnam Division and Harlem Division are now bike trails.

Part of the Wallkill Valley branch of the West Shore is a bike trail.

Cape Cod has a scenic trail on what was once the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad.

Along Lake Ontario shore, a portion of the old Rome, Watertown & Ogdensburg Railroad is a trail now.

This is only a small sample. There are LOTS MORE!                                      HF&RV

levisjeans8 MSN said...

Hey Les
I took the train every Friday night up to
Val-David, and let me tell you it was a hoot. You got to know the same people
who took it also, often it would be a party all the way
up.

les__f MSN said...

For the Fresco & JMH group,......................  ............a 1959 shot of the tram that headed up the Mountain,.                                                        HF&RV save this picture as I believe it will not stay directly linked for long.....so if it's of interest click & Save                 

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les. Just like the good old days...I missed the streetcar. Yesterday I got an e mail from a childhood buddy from Montreal who now lives in San Francisco. Last night at 2 am he was running for a bus, waving at the bus but because he had 50 more feet to go to get to the bus stop-the bus just kept going. The next bus arrived 30 minutes later. I remember this happening to me in Montreal many years ago-Fresco

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les ! I missed your mountaintram post re: http://groups.msn.com/VerdunConnections/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=47887 Was it this one ? http://www.davesrailpix.com/mtc/htm/mtc75.htm If not, I will appreciate it if you email it to me. Thank you in advance, JM

les__f MSN said...

Hello  JMH..      No it was listed here http://bp0.blogger.com/_BkBpOsTSTnw/RswXbgUMRNI/AAAAAAAAAi0/br6KZkXT7gM/s1600/mountaintram.jpg        but I am not sure if this link will wok (but it is the one listed,as the properties,if you right click your mouse ,then click properties)  then the above link is what is seen..However the photo I see is not visible in my original post,.some sites seem to do this,.but most of the photo's I'vee posted do still apear,....... I will try to Remember to post the url: and add it to my posts  ,under the picture ,so anyone can go directly to the site,where I came across them                                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Sorry JMH I just tried that link,and it does not allow me entry back to the site,....... The photo if I remember correctly was a picture of a Tram going up the Mountain (mount royal) of course.the Tran I beleive was green,and the top beige???  I'll try to find the photo & let you know where it is                                                                                                   HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Try again: http://bp0.blogger.com/_BkBpOsTSTnw/RswXbgUMRNI/AAAAAAAAAi0/br6KZkXT7gM/s1600/mountaintram.jpg  

les__f MSN said...

Ok JMH that one seems to work ,.if you click on the link,.a window will open asking you if you want to 'Open ' it  or 'Save' it   ,So you can save it to your collection.....................              Good Luck                     HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Les, Quebec Province should restore the tracks on this route to serve the people of the Laurentines. At one time both CNR & CPR had service to this area. As a kid I rode the CNR to St Sauveur and the CPR to Piedmont many times. At least one of these lines should be rebuilt-Fresco

fresco750 MSN said...

Jean-Marie, Les, I still can't get in. If anyone can obtain the mountain car photo could they please post it again? Thanks-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

      Reply
Recommend Delete    Message 102 of 110 in Discussion  From: Les__F  in response to Message 100 Sent: 8/27/2007 7:23 PM For the Fresco & JMH group,......................  ............a 1959 shot of the tram that headed up the Mountain,.                                                        HF&RV save this picture as I believe it will not stay directly linked for long.....so if it's of interest click & Save                    Fresco ,if this post doesn't include the photo,....then try going back to post #102 of this thread,........but it should be appearing ,.as I'm looking at it right now,     So hopefully this one shows up for you: I will email you the address,.and see if that works:                                                                                       HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les and Walter ! OK, it works.   But, to get the pic, you have to copy and paste the URL (NOT click on the URL). I have had similar experiences in the past. So, copy and paste this link: http://bp0.blogger.com/_BkBpOsTSTnw/RswXbgUMRNI/AAAAAAAAAi0/br6KZkXT7gM/s1600/mountaintram.jpg JM

les__f MSN said...

JMH & Walter,...and whoever else may like trams / trains ,.or transportation in general,....we've had a lot of different rails sites posted over the years,...but I just came across this one & wasn't sure if it had been mentioned before,....I haven't searched through it,.as I was looking for other Montreal stuff,...but there may be something of interest for some of you:
http://www.railfame.ca/sec_main/en_default.asp   .....as I say I have not searched through it,.so if you feel like it ,check it out                                            I never heard of a railway hall of fame....                                                                                    HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

The original tram/train/streetcar /        Passenger Carrier Bow view of 25' fur-trade type birch bark canoe , ''THE QUEBEC'', under repair by Henri Vaillancourt and Rick Nash in 1972. It features the royal crown painted on both ends with the initials V.R. [ Victoria Regina ] underneath.   http://www.birchbarkcanoe.net/algonquincanoes.htm   ......info and photo from the BirchbarkCanoe  site,............some of you campers out there may like ???? a 25' boat is quite large,.really,...and I imagine could carry a fair load of Beaver Pelts,..................................... HBC company made a nice fortune from it's long history ,in Canada,.. predominatly Quebec & Ontario (Upper & Lower Canada)...............................all part of Our Candian History  

les__f MSN said...

now here's a crowded shot,....................and checkout how many Bus's and Trams are in this shot,.............................that's a lot of public transit in one spot,..............Even the old Observation Car,......Montreal had  a few of thesee,...but look how Busy the whole area is? it says Avenue Delormier, & Cote de Neiges ...............also Look at How many people are in the Park across the street,.......and also Checkout how well dressed,everyone is ,.......................a different time indeed:                                        Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Had to add this old shot too/////////   .................and Remember travelling besdie the old Dow Brewery(PeelSt) .....and one more for the Tram era...........                                                                                            hf&rv

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
This looks like the last day of streetcar service parade which was on August 30, 1959. Montreal's first streetcar "The Rocket" was in this big event. There was also one of every model or type of streetcar that Montreal ever used on display that day. Bringing up the rear of the parade was one of the new busses. Great pictures. Thanks so much-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Hi Fresco ,Yes that certainl does look like an Event of sorts.....and the Observation Car looks to have some exec types onboard,.....       Good Call,...you know your Bus stuff,..so I'll defer to your knowledge & recall............     Thanks                                                 HF&RV

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, There must have been a convention in town as each passenger has a tag on their lapel. Can you read the sign in front, I can make out 45 but thats all. Guy

les__f MSN said...

Hello  Guy ,  Yes it's difficult to make out,........ it looks to me as you say either 45 or 43  and then it seems to say  ANN De  .,.......... Could be a celebration of years in service ???  If it was '59 as Fresco suggests,.then subtract 43 years from it ,....and Would that correspond to the inauguration of strretcars or the Trams ??? I tried the built in Magnifyer in Windows XP Pro,......but I still cannot really make out what it says,..........................            Now you've created some work for me.................hahahahaha               I have to know what that says,..................   YIKES                                                                                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Guy & Fresco & JMH et al,...........Here's the information that appeared under the photo of the  observation car: Tramway observatory #2.
1959.
Source : Archives de la STM, S6/11.3.2. .......................................................................................                     You can see that this Montreal site got hte info from the SYM site ,.so this same photo must appear on theri site ,.and may give more information about the event.???  Worth having a look I guess,...... I may do that later,............unless someone else finds the answer:        Here's the address from the Montreal site where I found this picture: I guess they are all becomming linked to each other these days,Which is good for us Montreal seeking Photo Nuts...............hahahahaha http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/archives/500ans/portail_archives_en/rep_chapitre11/chap11_theme1_doc29_page1.html                                          Have Fun & Remember Verdun

les__f MSN said...

Now here's an old shot,.....of Bus #3000,  JMH Do you Remember ,a few years back I had asked about Bus #3033 because I stayed on that Bus for a couple of Round trips ( without paying  of course) I think we could have been kicked off by the driver ,for not paying for a return trip,.......hahahahah Well this Bus is getting closer to that number...................                                           HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les ! Thanks for the nice pic. Do you remember the route of bus #3033 when you rode it ? BTW, bus #3000 was one of 150 buses (#3000-3149) bought in1957. Canadian Car, CC&F/Brill, model CD-52, 45 seats. Good luck for your search of 3033, JM

guy5479 MSN said...

Say, that's young mayor Drapeau on the left. Guy

guy5479 MSN said...

Not the best looking guy in town but boy could he get things done and  he sure cleaned up the city. Guy 

les__f MSN said...

Hi  JMH ,.Yes it was the #58 ,....but a minor chance it was the #60 (my rcall is the 58)........and it was a big adventure as we were quite young,.and this seemed like a neat thing to do,.duck down behind the last two seater on the driver's side ,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hahahahaha  We had a 'pact' to always Remember the number of this Bus............................      ( I kept my end of the bargain).........hahahahahhaha  Thanks for the info..........JMH,..................                                  HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Fresco , JMH,.and those with interest in the renewal of a tram system,...it seems M r Mayor ( Tremblay) plans to run again in '09,        and wants to implement plans to fix up the infrastructure of Montreal as well as go ahead with plans to have a new Tram System...............   Whadya Think ,.will he do it?      Here's an excerpt from part of a Montreal Blog.......... G챕rald Tremblay plans to run again for mayor in 2009 and says he still has work to do, repairing infrastructures and building a tramway in particular.                                                 I don't know what this guy has been like for Montreal,has he been good,....or has he been a politician???                                                                                       HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Sort of in the More Trams theme I guess,..................             the sign on the  tram says 'Back River' ..........
Tramway 1030 to Cartierville, near the Du Coll챔ge station, March 15, 1905.   ..............and you can see by this next phtot of the 'Station at du College'   was built with the idea of Need ,..not Opulence,.......... Yikes ,the penalty box ,at Willibrord Park was nicer than this baby,........and looks like it my have been a little warmer too,.hahahahaha
Du Coll챔ge tramway station, around 1920, STM Archives, Montr챕al Tramways Company        the sign saying "Ave Du College"  looks like it's made of sturdier stuff than the Station Itself............................   YIKES !!!                                               Have Fun & Remember Verdun

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Is the Ottawa River still called The Back River? Check out the size of the headlight on this Cartierville Streetcar. I would have loved the ride to Cartierville in this old trolley-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Hi Fresco,........I've always known it as the BackRiver,..........but I do think it has another name,but Yes it does flow from the Ottawa River.......                  That must be some serious candle power on that headlight,for sure,....                                                                                 HF&RV

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les__f MSN said...

Here's some Bus Stuff,...for the People who like Bus Stuff,.....           .these are about MCI Coaches,............................ http://busexplorer.com/PHP/FeaturePage.php?id=17    HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Les, Sandy,
The only ride I was never on at Belmont Park was the boat ride that they had on The Back River. The boat ride was too expensive as I recall. I thought I was washed out calling the Back River the Ottawa River in message 130. Then I looked up "Riviere des Praires" on Wikipedia. It says that Riviere des Praires (River of Meadows) and sometimes called the "Back River" is a delta channel of the Ottawa River. So there. Where does that leave me? Up the river in Ottawa without a paddle-Walter

les__f MSN said...

There was a Boat ride from Belmont Park that would take us out upriver towards the Bridge,...and then turn ,.and come flying back down,..it was fun to take,...and I doubt it was much more than 50 cents or a buck? But I'm not sure,.I think I have an old photo around of that boat ride,....Again I'll try to find it:                                                                                                          HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
That's the ride. I'm sorry now that I never took it. I still had some of life's fantastic moments at Belmont Park. What a place-Fresco

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guy5479 MSN said...

I had my boat on the Rivière des Prairies in the early 60s and used to go by  Belmont parc. It was tricky when going under the Cartierville bridge and by Belmont parc as their boat created large waves so I had to slow down. Here is a picture of my boat at anchor facing Roxboro/Pierrefonds about 5 miles up river from Belmont parc. Guy

touchy826 MSN said...

Belmont Park was a great place. We also had Doininion Park , located Notre Dame street East. I remember the Synic rail  being higher then Belmont , but only one large dip not two.,  this park was much older also., They closed same. No  cost to get in, and  a few of the entertainments also free. But it was a long street car ride from Ville Emard.      RON

les__f MSN said...

Maybe you got to see this band? from the top of the ride.................................................................   ........House of Nonsense.........................I like that name,                                         HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

A couple more for you,.some of the Scenic Railway,....and some of the Chute   HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Sandy,
That's it. You are correct. I had forgotten that you couldn't use the string of tickets for the boat ride. The choice became do you want to ride the boat or have a burger, fries and soda? The burger, fries and soda always won out. Excellent memory. Les should award you some extra points-Walter

fresco750 MSN said...

Ron,
Thanks for this info. I never knew of or went to Dominion Park. Wish I had. Les, Thanks for the great Dominion Park pictures. Montreal's East End had a lot of good stuff. I know at one time the streetcars ran as far as Pointe Aux Trembles. There was a streetcar crash on this line one foggy morning. I was never at CPR's Viger Station in Montreal's East End. I came close. We were on a train from Piedmont in the Laurentines that was headed for Viger Station. Unfortunately we got off at Park Avenue Station and waited for the next train which went to Windsor Station. I was not a happy camper. I was only ten years old when Viger Station closed. Montreal's East End was a fascinating place. Montreal's East End had the last Tramway service-Walter

les__f MSN said...

Fresco,.you sure have great recall for stuff like that....................                                                                                                                 HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les,
That's cause I didn't let math and stuff like that fill up my brain-Fresco

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touchy826 MSN said...

Les Sousa & his Band,  sorry it was before my time, but I enjoyed the movie they made of him My Father worked for Canadian Car and the big event of the Year,  One Saturday in July, workers were given the day off, and a pinic  organized at Belmont Park. free admission,  and coupns handed out that got you a discount. Us kids used to look foreward to this event. They had a large area allocated for pinics.     Ron L

les__f MSN said...

Hi Ron (touchy826) ,.I Remember the big area for picnics,.my oldman used to take us there ,.....Funny we knew we had to have lunch,but sitting at a picnic table,with the sounds of all the bells & Noise of an amusement park going on ,just made us want to scramble back out there,..I think the parents just wanted to sit down after all the running around from ride to ride, It was definetly a Fun Place to go as a little kid,.and then of course going with friends a few years later,............. http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-0-10-321-1671-10/index_souvenirs/vie_societe/parc_belmont  I have posted this link a few times in the past,...but it contains all the sights & sounds of Belmont Park,..........................       HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Fresco,........JMH,....& Train afficiandos,,,,,,,,,,,,  Here's a shot of the Railway Crossing in Cartierville,.........   Back River,....Belmont Park ........Riviere de Prairie   territory.
Photograph 1932, from the collection of Dr J W F Scrimgeour This extraordinary tower was to be found in the northern suburbs of Montreal, where the Boulevard Gouin crossed the Canadian Pacific Railroad. The only access to the tower seems to be from a ladder that enters the building through the floor. A large bell is fitted on the outside of the tower, which was presumably rung when the electrically operated barriers were about to be lowered. The signpost in the foreground is interesting. One board reads RAILWAY CROSSING, whilst the other reads TRAVERSE DU CHEMIN DE FER - reflecting the French language spoken in this area.
        CPR tracks crossing Gouin Blvd,.........                          Gouin Blvd ,used to make for a nice drive ,as a change from the Lakeshore Blvd side,...........  it always felt so rural & yet we were still close to the Hustle & Bustle of Centre Ville....................     HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Fresco ,.this site ,just may be of Interest to you,.......(you probably know all the signals,.........  We have some other railway fans out there too,I'm sure,...so maybe it will be of interest,....... RAILWAY SIGNALLING Welcome to the signal box, do come in. OK, so you've come in. Do you realise that is an infringement of Rule 72 (a)? You didn't? Never mind, you can learn about things like that on these pages. This web site is all about railway signalling. Its primary purpose is to describe the principles behind railway signalling in Great Britain, but some coverage of signalling around the world will also be found. The emphasis is on the older, mechanical signalling - that worked by mechanical levers and with semaphore signals. More detailed information on modern and foreign signalling will often be found elsewhere on the web. This web site has developed from a desire to record in an orderly and easily understood manner the quantities of information that I have learnt during the last forty years - much of which has only been stored in my head! You will find here descriptions and illustrations of signals, explanations of the rules and regulations, photographs, historic articles, reminiscences, museum and book lists, a monthly quiz, classified advertisements, sources of software (including downloads), links to other sites with signalling interest, and much more. Have a stroll around. Whether you have a deep interest in signalling or just a passing interest, there is lots here to look through.                     http://www.signalbox.org/index.php                   Fresco is that you?    hahahahaha                                                                                                 HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Les   Thanks for the RR Signalling.Brought me back to first dept I started in.   Lad

les__f MSN said...

Guy,...you posted some pictures last year of some parks & paths near or on the old Belmont pArk site,.as well as some new Condos that have been built,..Would you know off hand if this is the complex they are talking about ?   ......It seems close enough to the bridge ,that I do suspect this is the old Belmont Park grounds,..............  6001 Gouin Blvd seems to be about right ,but i'm not sure,.                                                      HF&RV

les__f MSN said...

Great ,....  I imagine everything must be all automated by now? or is it? Could be almost a lost art,.the same as Morse Code,.isn't widely used any longer........    Seems to have a lot of links on that site too,.so maybe some other interesting pics will arrive.                                                    HF&RV

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, That project is south of Gouin wereas Belmont parc was north of Gouin but directly opposite. Unfortunately I lost all my photos of the area from my computer. Guy

les__f MSN said...

Ok Thanks Guy,.........I can see it in my mind now that you've explained the layout of the land,.............   Merci Bien..........    I will look thorugh my other hard drive and see if I saved some of your old pictures,.....if so I will either send them to you ,or post them here again,.... I save a lot of stuff,..but as like everyone else I've experienced some computer crashes,over the years too,.........and I may have lost some good stuff,......  However I will have a look & see what I can find,...btwn.  laptops ,external hard drives ,home pC's ...............Who knows what I'll find....           Can you ever imagine that any of us would even know what we are talking about,using all these terms ,that simply did not exist when we lived in Verdun.........hahahahhaa or prior to the early 80's .......YIKES !!            Thanks to Mr Gates ,.................who also thought that noone would ever need more than maybe 64mb's......................hahahahahah                         Thanks for your input Guy,...always Appreciated                                                                                                           HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Sandy, You're on the plus points side. No doubt about it. I had forgotten about those little fried doughy things. They were fantastic. I can't remember the last time I had cotton candy. It may have been at Belmont Park. The restaurant by the Cartierville 17 Streetcar Terminal had fantastic 15 cent hamburgers and great 10 cent fries. The Laval Transit Busses stopped right in front of this restaurant. The Bus Drivers often ran in their for a quick bite. Belmont Park...the best!!!  Walter

fresco750 MSN said...

Les, Thanks for the Railway Signalling. As for the Le Cartierville Condos. They are building on scared grounds. I will make a prediction. The people living here are going to start seeing ghosts, hear the sounds of the roller coaster, people laughing and screaming. The residents of Le Cartierville Condos will wake up in the middle of the night hearing the merry go round music. When this happens you can call Art Bell on Coast to Coast and say you know the guy who predicted this-Fresco

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the lad MSN said...

Hi Les   Automated would be right.LIke everything to-day..   Thanks Lad

happydi2 MSN said...

Sandy and Walter......I loved Belmont Park too! My dad took me and my brothers  there  every summer for years. It was a real treat and so much fun.......I didn't like the roller coaster ride, I was more of the merry-go-round type of kid....   Walter I remember that restaurant by the Cartierville 17 streetcar.....waited there a few times while waiting for the Laval bus, had an aunt who lived in Laval and often visited her.   I can't imagine condos going up on the old site.....I bet it will be haunted for sure.....LOL.....

mom1945-linda MSN said...

And...I bet the old "Fat Lady" will be roaming the halls of those condos greeting people with her "Ho Ho Ho" just like she did at entrance to Belmont Park.  Quelle domage about the park though!

guy5479 MSN said...

HappyDie2,  The old Belmont Park is now a park with a small board walk along the river bank. I took some pictures a year or 2 ago wich I posted but unfortunately I lost them in my computer. If I find them I will post them again or I will go back and take more photos so you need'nt worry there will not be any condos built there. Guy

happydi2 MSN said...

Hi Guy!.....thanks for letting me know that...now that you mention it, I do recall you posting some pictures of the park last year....it  would be great to see them again if you can find them, what bad luck to lose them!

biking2006 MSN said...

Wasn't there a skiff docked at the park offering rides in the river for a few dollars? Vague memory.
Bill

les__f MSN said...

Bill if you watch this clip (posted a few messages back) it shows a brief clip of the actual boat taking people for rides,...the clip is not long,.but it is part of the Belmont Park compilation film of all the rides & sites & games etc etc .............Have a look you will see the boat,.it looks to be more like a very nice mahoganny wood type Launch with seating for about 8-10??? http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-0-10-321-1671-10/index_souvenirs/vie_societe/parc_belmont           Look closely ,it is not a long segment of the film,...but it is there,,,,                                                                                                               HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Dianne, Belmont Park was the best. Crystal Beach Amusement Park on Lake Erie in Ontario seemed like a fun place. I went there once before it closed and and a great time. It is the only time in my life that I had fresh water clams. They were right out of Lake Erie. I've been to Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky Ohio which is great. I loved Hershey Park. For whatever reason I liked Disneyland in California better than Disney World in Florida. The CNE in Toronto was good. I always wanted to go to the Bob Lo Island Amusement Park that was on an island between Detroit and Windsor Ontario but never got there. If you entered from Canada you had to return on the boat to Canada & likewise from the US you returned on the boat to the US. Bob Lo closed in 1990. All in all, Belmont Park is still my favorite. The people in Le Cartierville Condos will definately see ghosts. Montreal should have made a park where Belmont Park once stood. -Walter

les__f MSN said...

Saint Catherine Street,.taken 1910,................... with a Street car in the picture,......  Montreal must have been considered a really modern city,with it's transportation,                                                    HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Les, In 1910 the Montreal Streetcar System was only 18 years old. Montreal was still building new streetcar lines. Streetcars must have been looked on as a great new transportation development-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Fresco & JMH ,.Did you knw that it was George Westinghouse ,who developped the Air Brake system fro Trains,etc etc,.as well as inventing the A/C current,..and a host of other things, including the traffic signals for trains,.& switching devices..................   LITTLE KNOWN FACTS It is little known that one of George's 361 patents is a citywide telephone switching system, created long before widespread use by the telephone companies. Or, that the first radio station in the world was Westinghouse KDKA in Pittsburgh; that the first practical induction motor, the first contract to harness the enormous water power of Niagara Falls and the first power station turbine generator were all credited to Westinghouse; and, that Westinghouse led the world in using atomic power to propel ships in the Navy. Remember Westinghouse appliances? Sewing machines, washers, dryers, the first "turnover" toaster, irons, grills, percolators, am-fm radios and record players. That's not all. Starting in 1871, George Westinghouse gave his employees a half day off on Saturday, the first step toward a five-day work week. In 1908, he began a pension fund for workers; in 1913, paid vacations were initiated. Finally, Westinghouse designed for personal use the first illuminated tennis court. To supply electricity to the 1500 light bulbs, he wired the first private alternating-current power plant. ...figured out how to harness the power from Niagara Falls by using turbines,...................this was a real thinking character,.....                     October 6th ,1846            ..........Happy Birthday ,George I'm,sure there's Millions of washing machines & dryers & stoves & various appliances,.whirling away at this minute in tribute to your Birthday........hahahahaha               Smart Guy for sure,........

les__f MSN said...

Meant to ad the website address for Mt Westinghouse,......it may be of interest to some...................     http://ww3.telerama.com/~rs7717/george.html                                                                                                                   HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Hi Les,
Very interesting posting on George Westinghouse. One of the few things I remember from school was how hard it was to stop trains before George Westinghouse's air brake. Brakemen had to manually put the breaks on a lot of the coaches as the train slowed down. Jean-Marie will know everything about George Westinghouse. Jean-Marie will most likely know which railroad had Westinghouse air brakes first.

I loved listening to Westinghouse Radio Stations in Montreal at night back in the fifties. On most nights you could hear four Westinghouse Stations. KDKA Pittsburgh, KYW Philadelphia, WBZ Boston and WOWO Fort Wayne, Indiana. These four radio stations were top 40 stations at the time. Great music-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

JMH & Fresco you may be interested to learn that according to an article in this mornings Montreal Gazette, they are planning a refurbishing of PlaceD'Armes ,and would like to see it be the Hub of a New Tram Project  might warrant a visit if they do it, for you guys to get a ride on the new Montreal Tram System ( I hope they do it) it could be Montreal's equal to the scenic San Fran Trams that many tourist's go to see          Rejuvenating Montreal, great Idea.........    here's the story as it appeared in todays Gazette: Brainstorming the future of Place D'Armes The GazettePublished: 1 hour ago Teams of designers and architects started a week-long brainstorming session Saturday on just what a face-lift for Montreal's Place d'Armes, the heart of the old city, would look like. The historic site, created in 1693, is to undergo renovations starting next year that will be part of a $6.7 million re-do of the area's streets and sidewalks that should be completed by 2010, Stephanie Jecrois, a spokesperson for the city's Design Montreal bureau, said. Hailing from Berlin and Buenos Aires - as well as Montreal - the three teams of eight designers and architects met Saturday at the site to discuss Place d'Armes' historical significance and the city's objectives in refurbishing
it. They have until Thursday night to propose ideas, which the city will incorporate into its own project for the site. "One idea would be to remove the steps and the elevated plaza added in the 1960s," architect Denis Lemieux, who works for Design Montreal, explained. The square used to be a transit hub for 26 tramway lines. It is still a major destination point for tourists, he said. To accommodate the masses who flock there, the city might reopen subterrenean public toilets under the square, he said. They were condemned in the 1970s. The statue in Place d'Armes commemorates Paul Chomedey de Maisonneuve's defense of the young French settlement against the Iroquois, against whom de Maisonneuve's allies, the Hurons, were fighting to regain land the Iroquois had conquered. The public is invited to Place d'Armes Sunday at 1:30 p.m. and next Sunday, Oct. 28, at the same time for guided tours (in French only). There is also an exhibit on the square's history that will include sketches the designers make and add to the show this week.
For more information, visit www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/placedarmes or www.galeriemonopoli.com               JMH ,, tey are inviting the public this Sunday & Next Sunday, maybe you can squeeze in a visit to Montreal  & Guy you might like that too,?                               If you guys go, take some pictures .we'd like to see those I would imagine, I would think they'llave a mock up artists conception and mini buildings to look at ???                                 HF&RV

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joey-verdun MSN said...

I'd deleted the last post because I realized it had an error .
I was assigning the Art Nouveau iron work of place Victoria to Place D'arms by mistake .....

joey

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
Thanks so much. This is fantastic. 26 tramway lines. Amazing. I hope we don't have to wait as long for the streetcars as we did for the Montreal Metro. Remember how many times Montreal was promised a subway. I think Jean-Marie has gone in to shock in Chicoutimi after reading this news.
In the meantime I will check out if Art Bell is on the radio live again tonight or if it's one of the old Art Bell tape shows. Ian Punnett who does a lot of the shows, always says nice things about Canada. Ian's show is usually pretty good. Hope all is good in God's Country. Thanks again for the great streetcar news-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Your welcome Fresco,...........I think I remember reading somewhere that Montreal contemplated a Subway System as far back as the  early 1900's 'I beleive NYC had one and Montreal in those days ( and for many years after) were in the same class as NYC ,.that beine a destination city with everything to offer,.......................................   Haven't heard a C2C show for a while,.maybe I'll check it out this weekend,,,,,,,,,,,,,                                                                            Have fun & Remember Verdun

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les,
You are correct. I know the subway talk went way back. My grandfather used to laugh about it but he lived to see the METRO being constructed but not opened. The Tramways wanted to run the streetcars in tunnels downtown but this proposal got killed by City Hall. The Tramways were going to pay for all the cost of the construction. Mayor Camillien Houde was a big streetcar supporter. Mayor Jean Drapeau was big on busses and of getting rid of the streetcars. Too bad, Montreal had such a great streetcar system. On the Bulls and Bears stock show this morning on the FOX News Channel they recommended buying stock in a company that builds light rail transit systems. With the high cost of fuel mass transit is coming back in a big way they said. Hope so. Thanks again-Fresco

jmhachey MSN said...

Thanks Les and Walter for the references on Place d’Armes, tramways, metro, LRS, ... Remember this ?       Have a nice day ! JM

les__f MSN said...

Thanks JMH  neat old photo's and look how busy it is,.the place is loaded with people ,as opposed to a Friday Night when the people are loaded,,,,,,, hahahahah                                Nice old pics,,,,,,            HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Place d’Armes in 1925 The square used to be a transit hub for 26 tramway lines. http://groups.msn.com/VerdunConnections/thebadside.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=49322&all_topics=1 18 tramway lines are reported on the 1929 map: East side: 1, 6, 10, 12, 22, 33, 44, 95. West side: 3, 14, 25, 36, 47, 58, 70, 71, 83, 91. http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/cargeo/high/trba0140a_n.jpg and 17 tramway lines are reported on the 1924 map: East side: 1, 6, 22, 33, 44, 55, 77. West side: 2, 14, 25, 36, 47, 58, 64, 70, 83, 91. http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/cargeo/high/trba0028_n.jpg Is there someone who knows what are the missing lines ? Rem.: Maximum combination of 1924 and 1929: East side: 1, 6, 10, 12, 22, 33, 44, 55, 77, 95 = 10 lines West side: 2, 3, 14, 25, 36, 47, 58, 64, 70, 71, 83, 91 = 12 lines Total: 22/26 lines. Still 4 lines missing ! JM

guy5479 MSN said...

This is an ineresting old photo of the the tramway going down Gordon street taken in front of the Wood Hall building (formerly CKVL radio station wich was demolished about a year of 2 ago). The photo was taken in 1930 and I don't recall seeing it on this site. It is a copy of a copy and of poor quality. Guy     ARCHIVES SHGV

les__f MSN said...

Wow ,that's an interesting old photo,.......Guy are these in the Verdun Book 125 years of History?   ..A few years back one of the members here did mention something about the Tram/ Streetcar,.turning and going up Rielle,.and here you have definitive evidence that it certainly did come back along Gordon,.....amazing old picture,......  just making the actual turn on or off of Wellington,must have been interesting (mind you there were alot less cars on the streets then)                       Nice Input Guy,................................        HF&RV ps: When & do finally get a visit back to Montreal ,a visit to SHGV is definetly in order,.......

oshayne MSN said...

yes guy   interesting photo,   i didn't realize the 'street car' ran in verdun.   one of my vivid memories of montreal as a child is my first ride on the street car.

guy5479 MSN said...

Les, I believe this photo does appear in the book Verdun 125 years of history. I will check on saturday and make a better copy and repost it so that you can make a copy if you wish. Guy

the lad MSN said...

Hi   Legend has it the Wellington St street car jumped the tracks and landed in the Prince of Wales on corner of Rielle and Wellington..hmmmm jumped the tracks..legend has it might have some help.....   Lad

maggiemck MSN said...

I always knew the restaurant on the corner of Rielle and Wellington to be the Prince George. Is the Prince of Wales a nickname?

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les__f MSN said...

Yes Maggie Prince George it is,.......& I'm sure someone (one of our members) did mention the accident of a tram running into the Restaurant,.( the lad: same incident you mentioned,.maybe it was you ,who brought that to out attention first,.However I think it was a few years ago....maybe not)     I also Remember having my first or one of my first 'formal' haircuts in a proper Barbers Chair with that board across the arm rest's to raise us little kids up.................Yikes.////but as I recall ( or think I recall) this wooden bench put across the chair was pretty cool (at a young age) to allow us to get the First Barbershop Haircut.........hahahahha  complete with Barbershop Candy stripe pole outside,........Remember, that on the siding beside the steps that lead up to that Barbershop,immediately beside the said Restaurant in Question.................. Also another right of passage was to finally be able to have the barber 'do away' with the elevating board,.and conduct a proper haircut on a man ,big enough to sit in the chair ,without that board...........hahahahahhaha  Then came the mid 60's and the long spell between haircuts......hahahahaha ........oh yea......maybe a bunch of the 70's too (like most of them).hahahahah                                                                           HF&RV

the lad MSN said...

Hi Maggie   Yup you are right on..after I signed off it dawned on me... P.G not the P.O.Wales... P.G. used to make cokes the old way...syrup,carb. water,mix and serve. Now the Prince of Wales made those great Coke popsicles...   Think I have been in the restaurant in Chateauguay. Have to get the name of off Sandy before I make that mistake again..hahaha   Lad

the lad MSN said...

Les   Got tossed out of VHS for the hair...v.p. (Mr.Firth told me I was going to High School of Montreal until I got it cut) thing was he never told me offically so I kept going and on Friday p.m.spots me outside office at end of day and says what the hell you doing here..told him going to school...man you had to be there..too much...alot of head shaking and the hands going and sxxx flying but in the end I guess he figured too late now...hahahaha. Good Times.   Lad

rtmoly MSN said...

Speaking of R Firth. I got sent to the office one day and said ok Roy i have had enough of you we are going to see JHP. Well to his surprise I walked into JH's office and the first words out of JH was Hi Roy hows ypur mom and dad doing these days What firth didn't know that my dad who used to be the head caretaker at VHS was good friends with JH. Firths faced dropped and left me with JH. He said go back to class Roy and Have a good day.

wendythepool MSN said...

Hi Lad, loved those popsicles also, I think you could get them at Johnie's snack bar on Argyle. They were big and fat and 5cents. Wendy

kencm3 MSN said...

My dad used to talk about the tram going into Prince George. Don't recall the year but it seemed that Rielle and Wellington was the end of the line at the time  and the tram went off the track as it was circling around to go back up Wellington.   Ken M

fresco750 MSN said...

Les, Didn't you post a picture of the streetcar going in to Prince George a couple of years ago? I think I also remember you had a photo of a rush hour streetcar derailing at the corner of Girouard and Monkland Avenue-Fresco

the lad MSN said...

Roy   Had JH for my principal at Woodland so same thing for me Ross sends me in to see JH and after we get caught up tells me to go back and see Ross and tell him its all good..   Did you ever see the floor length mirror next to Ross's desk with the sign over it "Can you improve upon this picture"..Happened to see the "odd" time my presence was requested. Never forget Mr.Yudkovitch getting the call and just looking at me..never said a word. I got the hint. Good Times..   Lad

the lad MSN said...

Hi Ken   What I heard was it had help when it came time to turn around... helped right into the window...or so legend has it..restaurant got a makeover...   Lad

the lad MSN said...

HI Wendy   Johnnies was that the place next to the lane? We used to go up to the high school from the annex to take a course..and on the way down Argyle some of the guys would go in and "buy" some items..Did not take long to get barred from there..especially after he complained.   Thanks forgot about that place. Lad

les__f MSN said...

Hi Fresco,.I do Remember posting a photo of a tram off the tracks,.in snowy conditions,,,,,and I seem to think it was up Decarie area??? but I can't say for certain,....one that comes to mind is maybe a Lachine  Tram  ??  but you have better recall of those things tan I do,.as for the Rielle incident ,I don't think i posted it,.but probably due to the power of suggestions ,i want to remember seeing something like that too,.....  maybe it was JMH ? I will try to find some stuff like that,.& if I'm successful,i will post them again.............................               HF&RV

carver3570 MSN said...

Found this on the internet Ron.

carver3570 MSN said...

SORRY THIS IS IT. HAS IT BEEN SHOWN BEFORE

Attachment: montreal trolley accident 1900.pdf

les__f MSN said...

Hi Carver 3570,................don't think I've seen that atricle,.............heard about that story though,.I think it was Fresco who mau have relayed that (or a similar incident) to us,.....   Thanks for the input,.........     HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Hello ! Old tramway of Montreal   Is there someone who remember this type of tramway in Montreal ? JM

fresco750 MSN said...

Les,
I remember three streetcar derailments that you have posted. The Lachine 91 coming off the tracks. There is a lot of snow and people standing around the streetcar. Another is of an old rush hour streetcar coming off the tracks as the streetcar was turning from Girouard to Monkland. You also posted a photo of another old rush hour streetcar coming off the tracks on a turn. This is the Prince George photo I'm thinking about-Fresco

les__f MSN said...

Ok Fresco I will make some attempts at finding those old pics,,,,,,, gotta be here somewhere,.....................    How's Florida these days,?                                             HF&RV

fresco750 MSN said...

Thanks Les. Florida finally got some cool weather this past week. We are headed over to our son's house in Cape Coral for Thanksgiving. Leave on Wednesday and return on Friday. Happy Thanksgiving. You can still celebrate and and have a second Thanksgiving in God's Country north of the border-Fresco

fresco750 MSN said...

Jean-Marie,
It looks to me like one of the double ended streetcars that was purchased second hand from Springfield, Massachusetts. This photo was probably taken on the Millen 24 Line-Fresco

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Walter ! Yes a double-ended car. MTC bought 40 of those streetcars at $3,695. each (I don’t know if it was in CA$ or US$) More at: http://www.stm.info/info/infostm/2007/071116.pdf JM

fresco750 MSN said...

Jean-Marie,
I loved these Springfield Streetcars. If I saw one coming along Ste Catherine I would let the other streetcars pass and wait for the Springfield Streetcar. $3,695 is definitely a YIKES. What a great price. Wasn't there a couple of streetcars that looked like the Springfield Streetcars but were from Birmingham? The Tramways also went to Connecticut to buy streetcars but thought that the Connecticut Streetcars were in too poor a condition to purchase. My other favorite streetcar was the Cartierville type streetcar. Besides Cartierville these cars ran on the Notre Dame 25, St Henri 31 and the Ontario 5 lines-Walter

guy5479 MSN said...

Talk about old buses, 1904 and 1913. The 1913 bus was a prototype, thank god. Guy  

les__f MSN said...

Been seen on here before,.but neat to see the old Woodland Av,.....turn around spot.................                                                                                                          HF&RV

jmhachey MSN said...

Hi Les ! Montreal should follow the example of a leader in the field of environment: BC (A $14 billion plan)   The Provincial Transit Plan Premier Gordon Campbell and Minister Kevin Falcon announced the Provincial Transit Plan in Vancouver on January 14, 2008—a new strategy to double transit ridership by increasing travel choice for people around the province, with new fleets, green technology, new rapid transit lines and new innovative services like RapidBus BC. The vision is to be a global leader in providing safe, comfortable, reliable services that will highlight green technologies and will reshape our communities by encouraging integration of work, home and recreational activities. As more and more British Columbians live and work near transit, urban form will shift, which will lead to lower energy use, increasing energy efficiency, and a lighter environmental footprint. The plan will reduce provincial transportation greenhouse gas emissions by 4.7 million tonnes cumulatively by 2020.[...] http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/Transit_Plan/index.html JM

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