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Sunday, April 10, 2005
Newspapers
Verdun had 2 newspapers as far as I can remember. One paper you had to purchase and the other was gratis or free. Who can name these newspapers?
Happy Di 2, Yes you are correct. And that is the one you had to buy. Seems funny that I read all discussions since Jan 2005.( I joined on March 15,2005) and nobody ever mentions the newspapers. Reggie Paine
Are these papers still in publication today? What about the Voix Populaire? Is it still published? My husband worked for years at the Halifax Airport and he'd often bring home the Star before its demise and the Gazette and That is something I miss is a good newspaper....Dianne
Out here on the island (at least in Comox) up until a couple of years ago we had to go to a depanneur to buy a paper, and if the weather was bad, we didn't get one sometimes. But we have a little local paper that comes twice a week.
Hi Linda...do they call the corner store in your neck of the woods a depanneur? Here in Beaver Bank when we moved here in 72, they were called cantines, then later in the 80's they were called Green Gables, don't ask me why, since we are not in P.E.I., now that chain has become Needs, you know , for all your cravings, chips etc.....Dianne
NP, but I do think that it is still in production. (Can any of you still living in Verdun verify this?) Reg, did you read my other messages to you with names from the 40s and Wayne Carroll?
Happy Di2, No Diane I did not work for the newspapers. Like I said I joined Verdun Connections on March 15,2005 and went back and read all discussions from Jan.1,2005 and nobody ever mentions these 2 papers which I remembered as a kid. My friends delivered papers for the Guardian as a job like the Gazette and Montral Star. It was just a part of Remembering Verdun. Reggie Paine
Hi Maggie McK, Looking at your profile I don't believe it would be the same Wayne Carroll but it could have been his son. Wayne would be about 67 years old but he would not appear to be an excellent wrestler or football player when he was a teenager. But like they say don't judge a book by the cover. Reggie Paine
Hi Reggie, I had a friend Diane Cote and her sister Linda who were paper carriers for the Guardian, my grand parents were on their route. This is in Cote St.Paul/Ville Emard. This would have been in the early 60's I believe. My husband was a carrier for the Gazette in Crawford Park in the 50's and one of our daughters was a carrier for the Daily News here in Beaver Bank in the 80's. Now the paper is delivered in the middle of the night by car, it is a shame, they have taken away employment from young kids. I believe this enabled kids to earn money, and learn responsibilty...Dianne
Well this is good night to all you people out West, here it is 2:30 AM, and we have the grandkids visiting for the night, and even though we spoil them and keep them up way past their bed time, they still wake up at the crack of dawn...lol...so Adieu, bons soir...Dianne
Hi Diane, You are right but if you think about it that was a long time ago when you were free to do the things you wanted to do. Nowadays your kids can't go out to play without supervision. Imagine if they had 100 customers at $3.00 per week per customer. There would be robberies and who knows what else plus you or your husband would have to go collecting with the children which means your or his time. My kids had a paper route in 1980 and I had to go with them collecting fearing they would be robbed. Also people would not want to pay them and hassle them. So really it is a good thing that the children don't have to deliver anymore It would be very discouraging for a young person. Another thing you would have to consider was when your husband delivered papers in the 50's he had a route like I had. Let's say you had 50 customers but they were Monday to Saturday customers. That was easy. In 1980 the kids had customers for Monday and Wednesday and Saturday only. The other days they didn't want so it was much more difficult to remember what customers got the different days.Plus the fact that the Head Office were not always up to date. Reggie Paine
Hi Reggie...You are so right, we live in a far different world today than we did back in the 50's. The thing that was a bug bear for us when my daughter was delivery person, was that her customers lived so far apart and most of them on top of a high hill at the end of very long driveway. People were pretty good for paying, since we knew most of the people on her route. We live in a rural area which has its benefits but also drawbacks too.Swarmings on Halifax streets is a huge problem and home invasions too...very scary.....Dianne
Hi, here in Saskatchewan, my kids deliver the Star Phoenix when the regular carrier needs a sub. There are no collections as that is all done now by mail-in cheques or automatic payments. They do need to be out early in the morning so I usually shadow them. (I'm a little overprotective) They get paid .12 per paper/per day but the area they cover is pretty big and they deliver about 40 papers. Takes about an hour. When my brothers delivered the Gazette, I think they only had a 1 or 2 block area and probably as many papers. (Do you remember, Willie or Les?)
Hello Sis! I remeber doing the papers with them always seemed liked we walked more than that but maybe that was because I was smaller than then I am now. Thought they had more papers too but maybe it was just bigger paper more news. Take care have fun see you Tina
The Verdun Guardian, delivered to your door once every week.
John
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Guy, In your vintage Guardian or Messangers, do you have the section dated April thru May of 1944? That was the time that I was shot down over France and became an Evader. Was always curious if this adventure of mine was written up in our local paper.
John Neal, F/O
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Yes Guy, I lived at 99 - 5th Avenue, between Wellington and Lasalle' It was home to 1 Mother, 1 Father, 3 Sisters, me, and one million Shadflies. Finally, the Shadflies won!
John
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Sorry Mike, I was the only Boy with three sisters. But, if anybody remembers Dorothy, Joyce, and Shirley Neal, they are still alive and kicking.
John
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Between 1940 and 1950 I lived at 45 Fourth Ave and there was a Neal family who lived at 29. There were 10 children in that family. Let's see: Gertie, Fred, Jack (who was shot in the foot with a .22 rifle by a 3rd avenue neighbour's kid who was shooting at his fence in the backyard!!!), Peggy, Bobby, Wally, (the memory just conked out!!!). Anyone know any of them? Art
hi Diane, I know what you mean. Go to my daughters house on Sidhu and you hear the call fresh meat. In middle Sackville where we are we have very few black flies or mosquitos. Patsy
Hi Mike, There was a George Neal that came into the Montreal Veterns Club (The War Amps) alot a few years back. He is well known around the west end. The same one??? Danny
Know most of the younger Neals including Peggy, boxed with Jackie in early 50's at the Kinsmen, Billy Hurst was our trainer, by the way David Reid was the shooter from 3rd Ave. Gordo
At age 62 I still remember how to fold newspapers from my days delivering Montreal Stars & Montreal Gazettes. I even had a Montreal Star delivery bag until sometime in the eighties. One of the kids used it for something & it vanished.
You are a kindred spirit. I remember folding the Gazette as I delivered it each morning on Godin and Lasalle Blvd. Now get the Toronto Star with an elastic band around it and sometimes in a plastic bag. Sort of takes the fun out of it don't you think?
Made some good money doing that as well. And my work day was over before I went to school in the morning.
I think the family at 29 - 4th Avenue were the Neales. Wally is my uncle (maried to my mother's sister) and he's still around Verdun as are his two daughters.
Hello BFantie, I knew a Fantie when I lived at 857 Galt ave. near Bannantyne in the 40s as we used to play together on ocasions, I forget his first name and I think he may have lived on Gordon, I'm not sure. Can you tie this in with your family? Guy (I will check the Verdun Directory tomorrow at SHGV)
If his name was Fantie, he was no doubt related to me. My dad's (Dave) family lived on 4th Avenue just south of Bannantyne. His brothers were Joe, Bert, and Jimmy. Any of those ring a bell?
Bryan, He would have to be of my age, in the 75 range, I was born in 1930 so he would be about my age, sorry I can't remember his first name. My recollection of him goes back to the early 40s. I have not found any Fanties in the Verdun Directory 1940-1941at the SHGV. Guy
My dad, Dave, was born in 1930. So, it was probably him. Sadly, he passed away in 2002. He used to hang out a lot on the Dunkin' Donuts on Wellington near Church.
Bryan, Thats him all right, it' now coming back to me, it's Dave all right. I last saw him at the Fairview Shopping Mall, he was delivering magazines to the Bay I believe, that's about 25 years ago, sorry to hear he passed away. He walked all the way from 4th to play with the gang on Galt. Guy
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I think one was The Messenger (?). At our house we called them "The Fish Wrappers", and that's exactly what we used to do with them lol.
Was one called the Guardian? Dianne
Mom 1945 Linda, You are right but was that the free or gratis one? Reggie Paine
My husband says the Messenger was the free one...Dianne
I agree The MESSAGER was the free one
Happy Di 2, Yes you are correct. And that is the one you had to buy. Seems funny that I read all discussions since Jan 2005.( I joined on March 15,2005) and nobody ever mentions the newspapers. Reggie Paine
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Hi Maggie, It was the Messenger not what you are saying Reggie Paine
Are these papers still in publication today? What about the Voix Populaire? Is it still published? My husband worked for years at the Halifax Airport and he'd often bring home the Star before its demise and the Gazette and That is something I miss is a good newspaper....Dianne
Out here on the island (at least in Comox) up until a couple of years ago we had to go to a depanneur to buy a paper, and if the weather was bad, we didn't get one sometimes. But we have a little local paper that comes twice a week.
You might need to check that one. There are no "hits" if you type in "Verdun Messenger" in an internet search. Try "Verdun Messager"
You're right. The spelling. Same as "depanneur" but I can't think of the english-version of this word. lol
Hi Linda...do they call the corner store in your neck of the woods a depanneur? Here in Beaver Bank when we moved here in 72, they were called cantines, then later in the 80's they were called Green Gables, don't ask me why, since we are not in P.E.I., now that chain has become Needs, you know , for all your cravings, chips etc.....Dianne
I'm not quite sure what they call it, probably just "7/11". I usually just say "to the store".
Hi Maggie, Not going to try the internet search. I am too old for a body rub joint. The Messenger probably doesn't exist anymore. Reggie Paine
NP, but I do think that it is still in production. (Can any of you still living in Verdun verify this?) Reg, did you read my other messages to you with names from the 40s and Wayne Carroll?
Reggie, I think we got off your topic "newspapers" did you work for a paper? Dianne
Happy Di2, No Diane I did not work for the newspapers. Like I said I joined Verdun Connections on March 15,2005 and went back and read all discussions from Jan.1,2005 and nobody ever mentions these 2 papers which I remembered as a kid. My friends delivered papers for the Guardian as a job like the Gazette and Montral Star. It was just a part of Remembering Verdun. Reggie Paine
Hi Maggie McK, Looking at your profile I don't believe it would be the same Wayne Carroll but it could have been his son. Wayne would be about 67 years old but he would not appear to be an excellent wrestler or football player when he was a teenager. But like they say don't judge a book by the cover. Reggie Paine
Hi Reggie, I had a friend Diane Cote and her sister Linda who were paper carriers for the Guardian, my grand parents were on their route. This is in Cote St.Paul/Ville Emard. This would have been in the early 60's I believe. My husband was a carrier for the Gazette in Crawford Park in the 50's and one of our daughters was a carrier for the Daily News here in Beaver Bank in the 80's. Now the paper is delivered in the middle of the night by car, it is a shame, they have taken away employment from young kids. I believe this enabled kids to earn money, and learn responsibilty...Dianne
Well this is good night to all you people out West, here it is 2:30 AM, and we have the grandkids visiting for the night, and even though we spoil them and keep them up way past their bed time, they still wake up at the crack of dawn...lol...so Adieu, bons soir...Dianne
Hi Diane, You are right but if you think about it that was a long time ago when you were free to do the things you wanted to do. Nowadays your kids can't go out to play without supervision. Imagine if they had 100 customers at $3.00 per week per customer. There would be robberies and who knows what else plus you or your husband would have to go collecting with the children which means your or his time. My kids had a paper route in 1980 and I had to go with them collecting fearing they would be robbed. Also people would not want to pay them and hassle them. So really it is a good thing that the children don't have to deliver anymore It would be very discouraging for a young person. Another thing you would have to consider was when your husband delivered papers in the 50's he had a route like I had. Let's say you had 50 customers but they were Monday to Saturday customers. That was easy. In 1980 the kids had customers for Monday and Wednesday and Saturday only. The other days they didn't want so it was much more difficult to remember what customers got the different days.Plus the fact that the Head Office were not always up to date. Reggie Paine
Hi Reggie...You are so right, we live in a far different world today than we did back in the 50's. The thing that was a bug bear for us when my daughter was delivery person, was that her customers lived so far apart and most of them on top of a high hill at the end of very long driveway. People were pretty good for paying, since we knew most of the people on her route. We live in a rural area which has its benefits but also drawbacks too.Swarmings on Halifax streets is a huge problem and home invasions too...very scary.....Dianne
Nous avons des copies des vieux journeaux Le Messager et le Guardian dans nos archives à la Société d'Histoire et de Généalogie de Verdun datant des années 1930, 1940 et 1950 et je prend plaisir à les lire. En particulier les éditions des années 1939 à 1945 ou l'on voit les soldats de Verdun qui sont mort au front. Aussi, le prix des marchandises comparés à nos jours en plus des nouvelles de ces temps là . We have in our files at the Société d'Histoire et de Généalogie de Verdun copies of the Messager and of the Guardian 1930, 1940 and 1950s which I take pleasure in reading. Particularly of the 1930-1945 war years showing Verdun boys killed at the front. Also, the prices then and now plus the news of those days. Guy
Hi, here in Saskatchewan, my kids deliver the Star Phoenix when the regular carrier needs a sub. There are no collections as that is all done now by mail-in cheques or automatic payments. They do need to be out early in the morning so I usually shadow them. (I'm a little overprotective) They get paid .12 per paper/per day but the area they cover is pretty big and they deliver about 40 papers. Takes about an hour. When my brothers delivered the Gazette, I think they only had a 1 or 2 block area and probably as many papers. (Do you remember, Willie or Les?)
Hello Sis!
I remeber doing the papers with them always seemed liked we walked more
than that but maybe that was because I was smaller than then I am now.
Thought they had more papers too but maybe it was just bigger paper more
news.
Take
care have fun see you Tina
The Verdun Guardian, delivered to your door once every week.
John
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Guy, In your vintage Guardian or Messangers, do you have the section dated
April thru May of 1944? That was the time that I was shot down over France
and became an Evader. Was always curious if this adventure of mine was
written up in our local paper.
John Neal, F/O
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Hey John, Does the name George Neal mean anything to you? Mike
John, I will check it out next time I visit the society. Do you remember your address at that time? Guy
Yes Guy, I lived at 99 - 5th Avenue, between Wellington and Lasalle' It was
home to 1 Mother, 1 Father, 3 Sisters, me, and one million Shadflies.
Finally, the Shadflies won!
John
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Sorry Mike, I was the only Boy with three sisters. But, if anybody
remembers Dorothy, Joyce, and Shirley Neal, they are still alive and
kicking.
John
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Between 1940 and 1950 I lived at 45 Fourth Ave and there was a Neal family who lived at 29. There were 10 children in that family. Let's see: Gertie, Fred, Jack (who was shot in the foot with a .22 rifle by a 3rd avenue neighbour's kid who was shooting at his fence in the backyard!!!), Peggy, Bobby, Wally, (the memory just conked out!!!). Anyone know any of them? Art
It is now Mid April. Almost Shadfly time!! If I remember correctly?
Here in Nova Scotia it will soon be Black Fly time ...ouch...Dianne
hi Diane, I know what you mean. Go to my daughters house on Sidhu and you hear the call fresh meat. In middle Sackville where we are we have very few black flies or mosquitos. Patsy
Hi Mike, There was a George Neal that came into the Montreal Veterns Club (The War Amps) alot a few years back. He is well known around the west end. The same one??? Danny
If anyone is here this evening, I am in chat.
Hi Danny, The George I am thinking of would be about 57 or 58 now. Mike
Know most of the younger Neals including Peggy, boxed with Jackie in early 50's at the Kinsmen, Billy Hurst was our trainer, by the way David Reid was the shooter from 3rd Ave. Gordo
At age 62 I still remember how to fold newspapers from my days delivering Montreal Stars & Montreal Gazettes. I even had a Montreal Star delivery bag until sometime in the eighties. One of the kids used it for something & it vanished.
Hi Fresco
You are a kindred spirit. I remember folding the Gazette as I delivered it each morning on Godin and Lasalle Blvd. Now get the Toronto Star with an elastic band around it and sometimes in a plastic bag. Sort of takes the fun out of it don't you think?
Made some good money doing that as well. And my work day was over before I went to school in the morning.
Dear VerdunReader9:
I think the family at 29 - 4th Avenue were the Neales. Wally is my uncle (maried to my mother's sister) and he's still around Verdun as are his two daughters.
Karen, you out there?
Bryan
Hello BFantie, I knew a Fantie when I lived at 857 Galt ave. near Bannantyne in the 40s as we used to play together on ocasions, I forget his first name and I think he may have lived on Gordon, I'm not sure. Can you tie this in with your family? Guy (I will check the Verdun Directory tomorrow at SHGV)
In response to the 2 newspapers in Verdun, they were the "Verdun Messanger" and "The Gaurdian". P.Breidon
Dear Guy:
If his name was Fantie, he was no doubt related to me. My dad's (Dave) family lived on 4th Avenue just south of Bannantyne. His brothers were Joe, Bert, and Jimmy. Any of those ring a bell?
Bryan
Bryan, He would have to be of my age, in the 75 range, I was born in 1930 so he would be about my age, sorry I can't remember his first name. My recollection of him goes back to the early 40s. I have not found any Fanties in the Verdun Directory 1940-1941at the SHGV. Guy
Dear Guy:
My dad, Dave, was born in 1930. So, it was probably him. Sadly, he passed away in 2002. He used to hang out a lot on the Dunkin' Donuts on Wellington near Church.
Bryan
Bryan, Thats him all right, it' now coming back to me, it's Dave all right. I last saw him at the Fairview Shopping Mall, he was delivering magazines to the Bay I believe, that's about 25 years ago, sorry to hear he passed away. He walked all the way from 4th to play with the gang on Galt. Guy
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