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Hi Bob (bubbacut), I agree with you, it was a public bldg not a (private) house. JMH
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THAT IS A PICTURE OF THE GRAND TRUNK BOATING CLUB, THE LOWER FLOOR WAS WHERE THE RACING CANOES WERE STORED, THE SECOND FLOOR WAS A LARGE HALL THAT WAS USED FORMEETINGS, DANCES, BINGOS, AND VARIOUS OTHER SOCIAL EVENTS. THE SMALLER BUILDING ON THE LEFT WAS A CANTEEN THAT SERVED HOT DOGS, HAMBURGERS, SOFT DRINKS ETC., IT ALSO HAD A SLIDING WINDOW THAT OPENED UP ONTO THE ADJACENT BOARDWALK SO THAT BOARDWALK STROLLERS COULD BE SERVED.
Hi Grandtrunk2, You’re absolutely right ! Thanks for additionnal infomations. The pavilion of the Grand Trunk Boating Club, (photo ca. 1925); was situated at the foot of May Ave. This club served Verdun & Point St. Charles. JMH
J.M.Hachey Thank you for the photograph, It brings many great memories,both personal and family, my grandfather, my dad, my uncle, my older brother,and myself, were all members of the club. many thanks! Bruce Brown
Hi Bruce (Grandtrunk2) You were so familiar with the Grand Trunk Boating Club, would you recognize someone in this photo ? JMH
The Pav also made the best salami burgers.
Margo
J.M.Hachey, I sure do recognize some people in the photo ! Front row left corner in the sweater is my uncle Nelson who wasthe captain of the War Canoe. Front row center in the suit , with white hair is my grandfather Dave. He was the trainer for the club and also was the trainer for the old C.N.R. football team that played in the Big Four against teams likke Balmy Beach and Toronto Argos. My uncle Nelson was the Quarterback for that C.N.R. team The tall man in the center of the third row is Alex Fleming who also played for the C.N.R. team.My dad had stopped paddling in 1935. Thanks for the memories Bruce
Easy ... Make & year ...
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Easy to identify the main street with streetcars on it ! But, what about the secondary street with tracks merging with the main one ? JMH
Hi Bruce (Grandtrunk2) Concerning the Pavilion of the Grand Trunk Boating Club, would you give us a description and the utilisation of the third floor (the administration I suppose) ? Do you have an idea when this pavilion was built ? ... and when it was demolished ? (Re: post No 410) Many thanks, JMH
Is it in Verdun or in Montreal? Is it looking North,or East or which way?
Thanks
Jim Bytheway
Hi Jim Bytheway, Questions & answers: (re: post 423) 1) Is it in Verdun or in Montreal ? Montreal 2) Is it looking North, or East or which way ? The photo is looking East. JMH
J.M.Haichey The G.T.B.C. 3rd. floor was exactly what you thought it was, a small area that was office and file space. I remember going to the regattas in the thirties with my Dad, and my Grandad when an older gentleman named Joe Lamont would open the office window and do a play by play of the races unfolding on the river in front as he had a clear view of the entire race course from his 3rd. floor vantage point. I do not know when the structure was erected but it suffered a disatrous fire which also destroyed all of the old trophies from bygone years. I'll check with my older brother in Ajax to see if he has the specific dates. Bruce.
Hi Bruce (Grandtrunk2) Do you remember this man ? JMH
Another pic of the G.T.B.C. House ... JMH
GTBC..there was a family that was there when I was in school..(Rushbrooke),Culligan, I hung out with Billy, who had a glass eye and would remove it.His dad would take us to all the regattas.They lived out near the nat. Billy was also in fast cars, I had a 58 chev chopped and dechromed. complete with bubble skirts anda stick shifr. Motor was worked on by Pace.
Hello, Newspapers once published in Verdun available (microfilms) at the National Library of Canada: Journal de Verdun. (1953-56) NJ.FM.1702 26 oc 1953 AN 8363427 Verdun Guardian. NJ.FM.1491 Ja 23, 1931- De 28, 1934; Ja 22,- Mr 5, 1966 AN 9931835 Le journal l'archipel. NJ.FM.2663 oc 1973 AN 20981465 Le Messager/The Messenger. (since 1912) *NJ.FM.860 22 d챕 1927- 30 d챕 1929; 4 f챕 1932+ AN 7296079 Verdun free press. (1917-35) NJ.FM.2863 F 13, N 27, 1919 AN 23535204 http://www.collectionscanada.ca/8/18/r18-217-f.html http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/200/301/nlc-bnc/cdn_newspapers-ef/qcme.htm Additional information: Papers once published in Verdun, only Le Messager de Verdun is published today. 1912: Le Messager/The Messenger, 1st owner: M. T.-D. L챕ger; 2nd owner.: M. H.-J. Duhamel 1911-1916: Echo, Roy Carmichael (Woodland ave) 1917-1935: Verdun Free Press, B. Fowler, Ethel St.; 1927: 700 Gordon 1920 - ? : Verdun Citizen, Jas. Glencross 1929-1962: Verdun Guardian; L'Unit챕, J.-P. Dupuis, wood merchant. 1951, from Feb.4 to July 10: Verdun Post, Barry West 1953 to 1956: Journal de Verdun (Verdun Journal), Dr A.-D. Archambault, pr챕sident; A. Lebrun, directeur- g챕rant. Source: 1) DÉZIEL, Julien, Histoire de Verdun 1665, 1876-1976, Verdun, Edition du Comit챕 du Centenaire, 239 pp (1976), p. 209. (An English version is available) JMH
J.M.Hachey Sorry, but I can't identify the gentleman in the photo Bruce
Beeaired, re [Rushbrooke] The family you mentioned was Colligan they lived on may ave at the corner of Rushbrooke.We lived around the corner at 3020 Rushbrooke. Bruce Brown
Hi Bruce (Grandtrunk2), The gentleman in the photo (Message 428) is Peter McCabe. Here is an excerpt: “MR. STARTER” HAS RETIRED by Bill McKee and Yves Gu챕rard « We have seen and heard of Peter McCabe in our canoeing community for so many years that it seems almost impossible to realize that this major figure in Canoe-Kayak would one day retire. We don’t think you can find even one paddler in the whole of Canada that does not know “ MR. STARTER”. Peter has been associated with canoeing since 1952 as a “C” Blade paddler with the Grand Trunk Boating Club in Montreal and has been involved for many moons. ... » More at: http://www.canoekayak.ca/files/Feb04.pdf JMH
J.M.Hachey, Thanks for the run down on Peter McCabe... I was not active in the club after I got married in 48. Bruce
Hmmmm//you a brother to Judy??
Hi Bruce (Grandtrunk2), ... Note on Colligan Trophy W.J. Colligan Trophy introduced 1946; donated by Bill Colligan, former Commodore of Grand Trunk Boating Club and Commodore of CCA 1962; Flag Officer of Eastern Division (now Quebec Division) in 1961 http://www.canoekayak.ca/files/2004TrophyList.pdf JMH
BEEAIRED JOAN AND JUDY ARE MY YOUNGER SISTERS,
ALSO HAVE AN OLDER BROTHER NAMED KEN BRUCE
This transfer goes back to April 1895, at the time where the lines of tram did not have a number yet.
thanxx..knew Judy and Barbara Wray as they were in same class at Rushbrooke..maybe you have seen my replies to her. They sure did make the day in gym class..with skirts tucked into their bloomers..lol..sighhhhhhhh..
Hello, Are you in the group ? Members of the Woodland Park Tennis Club, 1960 JMH
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An excellent site to visit: the Bank of Canada and ... The Inflation Calculator of the Bank of Canada: The Inflation Calculator uses monthly Consumer Price Index (CPI) data from 1914 to the present to show changes in the cost of a fixed "basket" of consumer purchases. These include food, shelter, furniture, clothing, transportation, and recreation. An increase in this cost is called inflation. http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/inflation_calc.htm Ex.1: A house that cost $4,000. in 1940 would cost $54,107.53 according to the calculator. As we can see now, this is far below the actual market price (the house market is overvalued as the tech sector was ...one day ...perhaps ... the market will come back to reality ...). Ex.2: Here is an ad of 1932: $98.50 (Westinghouse Easy Washer) in 1932. would cost $1361.68 in 2005. (Possibly more than that for « sentimental » consideration) The actual price In 2005, of a washing machine is .... Sears Canada: Maytag
Top Load Washer Sears number 263 637 242
Mfg. number MAV6451AWW
Cabinet: White Control Panel: White
Regular Price $749.99
Now $699.99 until Apr 24 BTW, 4529 Wellington (North side) is btwn Willibrord & First Av. JMH
Hi, Do you remember this interior ? Make ? JMH
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Hi JMHachey. Your picture looks like the interior of a "Mack" bus (around late 50's early 60's). The lights are what I remember of it along with the emergency door on the right. Also the pull cord for stops. But there is no rear exit door on the left and no hand straps or rails to hold onto. Could this be a school bus conversion? Mac
Hi Jean Marie: I enjoy your posts, especially those which include photos, etc. of Verdun's past. My answer to the building shown in posts 383 & 394: The building was known as the "Pavillion". It was located on the north-west corner of Church and LaSalle (although I think in the late 1890s Church Street was called Pavillion and LaSalle Blvd was Lachine Road). It had many roles over the years, including beeing the meeting place of the Knghts of Columbus, but its role in the founding of Verdun is that it was essentially Verdun's first city (town/village) hall as this was where the founding fathers of Verdun (originally called, I think, Village of St Pierre River?) held their first meetings. Apparently the building had existed for some 200 years and was torn down in the 1940s or early 1950s. The last I remember, there was a gas station on this corner. My Question to the article in post 402: Having lived on Sixth Ave (between Verdun and Bannantyne) from 1958 to 1969, I am quite curious about this "Verdun Stadium". What was it? On what corner was it located (my guess is the south-west corner, where the Steinberg's store was in the late 1950s)? Regards, Bill
Anyone remember the Fageol busses than ran on the Sherbrooke Street #4 line.
Hey banjo 4141 The Verdun Stadium in the late fifties was on Galt Ave. west side of the Auditorium. Just behind The Mcdonalds which is there now.
Hi Mac (Frenchmac) I agree with your accurate observations and remarks about the GMC bus interior. JMH
Hi Bill, (Banjo4141) Your comments are appreciated. You are right concerning the Pavilion and its role in the foundation of Verdun. It was torn down in 1954 to be replaced by an Esso Station. (The garage Devon Motor Sales, Austin dealership was also demolished in the same period). Here is a pic of the Pavilion and Devon Motor Sales. (North-West intersection of LaSalle Blvd & Church in 1954) Concerning the "Verdun Stadium", I have no additional infos about it for the moment. Source: GRAVEL, Denis et H챕l챔ne Lafortune, Verdun, 125 ans d'histoire, 1875-2000 Soci챕t챕 de recherche historique Archiv-Histo Inc, 318 pp (2000); p. 47. ISBN 2-920480-68-5 Have a nice week ! JMH
Hi Fresco (Walter) The 1946 Fageol Twin Coach. There has been 35 of these in the streets of Montreal. I remember having taken this make of bus on line 38-Barclay St. corner of C척te-des-Neiges Rd in the early 50s. Have a nice week ! JMH
Hello ! A more difficult one (?) Can you identify this vehicle ? JMH
Hi Fresco (Walter), Concerning the two man green streetcars on Craig Street, was it that pic ? JMH
Is it a CanCar or a Flyer?
Hey Steve (give_me_one_1) Hey you must remember that Bill (Banjo..) drank a lot of beer back then... We used to have to give him directions to the bath room... He never was much on athletics unless it included a beer game.. So one must forgive his knowledge of the Stadium's location. At least he got his home address right (between Verdun and Bannantyne on sixth) that was about as specific as he got...back then... he he
Hi Dave (Give) We are talking about the Verdun Stadium that existed in the thirties and was located on Verdun Av. corner of Sixth Av. (see my post No 402) Have a nice day ! JMH
Hi Dzldawg1, Not a CanCar or a Flyer. Have a nice day ! JMH
Thanks JMH, What a great photo. That's not the one I had in mind, but this one is great. Thank you. I loved Craig Terminal, an exciting place. This photo shows busses making inroads on streetcars. I see trailer streetcars, so maybe this was taken after streetcars were removed from St Denis but not St Lawrence Blvd. I recall the trailer streetcars being used on Saturdays on the Lachine line after the streetcar service was ended on St Lawrence. Thanks again, Walter
JMH, this is the inside of one of the PCC cars that ran on the Snowden-Outremont #29 line until removed in 1958. Then they were used in the east end. Montreal almost sold them to Toronto, talks broke down & they were scrapped. One was saved and is in the museum at Delson, Quebec.
JMH, Remember the double ended cars that ran on Van Horne & ended at Cote Des Neighes? They were also used on Davidson Ave, Millen, Rememberance Road & Lachine Extension. I also saw them in use from Garland Terminal to Blue Bonnets Race Track.
Hey jmhachey Notice I had a lot of WE's in the message about Bill having trouble finding the Stadium...Of couse none of us were areound to see it.. Only things I remember at sixth and Verdun was a Steinbergs, French Schoool Yard (thats what us Anglais called it)... a butcher shop and hmmm don't remember what else. Strange since I delivered the Guardian for 5 or 6 years on sixth even numbered side from Verdun to Champlain...\ Which corner was the "stadium" located on. What played there???? Oh yeah Bill sttill had trouble most times finding anything especially his D28 unless it was attached to someones head (inside joke sorry) he he
Hi David (dflood54) Here is a repost (My original post 402) of the ad we refer to Le Messager de Verdun Messenger, 1936 Have a nice day JMH
Hey jmh Was it a sports Stadium or just for music?If it also was for sparts it would have taken som of those houses up . Steve
Hi Steve (Give), If I refer to the ad, it was used for sports (wrestling). But was it used for other purposes ? I don’t have to much infos about that Verdun Stadium. I know it was the source of complaints from some neighburs .... Excerpt from Verdun Messenger, August 20, 1936. JMH
Hi Walter (Fresco), I experienced several times Craig Terminal with my parents. Remember the steep hill we had to climb to reach Place d’Armes and get the 58-Wellington streetcar. Here are 2 other photos of Craig Terminal (1925 & 1932). Regards, JMH
Hi Fresco, Yes, this is a PCC, thanks for additionnal infos. JMH
Hi Walter (Fresco), Thanks for the superb photo. You bring back a lot of good memories as we lived on C척te-des-Neiges Rd from 1942 until 1949. In many occasions, I had the opportunity to travel on double ended cars that ran on Van Horne & ended at C척te-des-Neiges (Route 96-Van-Horne). The motorman had to bring the control handle with him at the other end of the tram. and change the trolley. Do you remember the Supertest Service Station at the corner of Côte-des-Neiges & Van Horne, there was also a Rexall Pharmacy on Van Horne (not far from Supertest, on the same side of the street). There was also an other pharmacy on Côte-des-Neiges (corner Van Horne) close to the bus stop of route 18-Côte-des-Neiges-Jean-Talon. At that time, the main bldgs in this sector of Côte-des-Neiges Rd, were Bell Canada, Banque canadienne nationale (corner Kent), École and Église St-Pascal-Baylon (our parish then). In front of our house were Kent Park and in the back the Montreal Convalescent Hospital (now The Lindsay Rehabilitation Hospital). Plamondon St. was not built yet and there were still farms on Côte-des-Neiges Rd (former Village of Côte-des-Neiges). There was also a grocery, Kent Market (it was our grocery store). Thanks for all the good memories you bring back. Here is a photo of C척te-des-Neiges Rd in 1859. JMH
This is for JMHachey, Back in mid March you posted some pictures of 2 Churches in Verdun. Olivette Baptist and First Presbyterian. I have gone back in Verdun yesteryears to try and retrieve them because I have become involved in a family history project and these 2 churches are part of my family history. I was able to copy the first one #265 but do not seem to be able to copy 267- First Presbyterian and 270 2nd more current photo of Olivet Baptist after the hall had been added. Then in #271 there was an article about the formation of Olivet Baptist that in honesty I have not been able to figure out how to copy it. So if at all possible could you send me copies of these direct to my aol address. Rutharmstrong@aol.com. If that is not possilble could you tell me where to find these pictures and article. The Armstrong name ends with my brothers and myself so we are trying to have a record for the girls in the next generation will know something about the Armstrongs and where they came from. Hope that you can help us out. Ruth Armstrong-Hagar
Hi Ruth, You will find at your AOL address, the following posts (265, 267, 270 and 271) as requested. An important source of references is: Soci챕t챕 d'histoire et de g챕n챕alogie de Verdun Centre culturel de Verdun, Salle Canadiana 5955, avenue Bannantyne Verdun, Qu챕. H4H 1H6 Tel.: 514 765 7174 http://www.ville.verdun.qc.ca/shgv/ Best regards, JMH
Hi Ruth, Concerning the printing of documents 11x17 in., I would suggest using a photcopy store service (better than reducing the size to 8.5x11 in. format on your printer). JMH
Hi JMH, What a great area you grew up in. Unfortunately the Van Horne extension line was one of the few streetcar lines I never rode. My aunt & uncle lived on Bernard Avenue two blocks north of the Outremont Theatre. I would always get off the streetcar at that location. I recall many trips by car along Van Horne, seeing the streetcar loop & where the double ended streetcar extension started on it's way to Cote Des Neighes. Many times during the seventies when I would visit Montreal my aunt & uncle would take me to Paisanos Restaurant on Code Des Neighes very near to your house. I read an article a couple of years ago in The Canadian Railroad Historical Association Magazine that the Tramways almost lost their streetcar franchise because they did not want to have streetcars climb Cote Des Neighes. The streetcars ran up Guy, Cote Des Neighes only to McGregor. Under pressure from City Hall the tracks were layed. It was the steepest streetcar climb in Canada, there were two streetcar lines in the United States that had the same grade of steepness. The first line was to Westmount Boulevard to Lansdowne Avenue. Then the connection from Westmount Boulevard to Queen Mary where the #65 streetcar line ran was made followed by the #14 line being extended from Lansdowne Ave to Claremont Ave to Sherbrooke Street. Cote Des Neighes played a big part in Montreal's transit history. Funny you mentioned Supertest Gas & Rexall Drugstores. Last week I saw a Rexall Drug store in a movie. I went to the web to see if they are still in business. It looks like they're no longer here. JMH thanks for all your great postings. You and LES are amazing !!!
JMH, I loved seeing the trailer streetcars whip around that curve inside Craig Terminus. I would always nag to ride in the trailer car. I remember the hill to Place d'Armes. I'm trying to recall if the Lachine 90 streetcar looped there, I think it did. I had a cousin in Lachine & did many trips on the Lachine streetcar. My Grandfather took me to La Mer Seafood Restaurant in the Place d'Armes area. Best seafood I ever had. The restaurant was there in the eighties, not sure if it's there now.
Hello Fresco.......your memory is real good , to Remember those details .......it's Amazing what we store in our grey matter.........Great Post BTW,.......keep 'em coming ..........Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Hi Fresco, Is this the streetcar you had in mind ? Intersection of Bleury & Craig in 1956. My opinion is that this tramway is going south on Bleury before moving eastward on Craig. I think that this tramway is in service on line 29-Outremont. JMH
Thats it J M H east on Craig and turning to go up Bleury , remember Pascal's Store on corner Bleury and Craig , that would be north east corner , great memories , thanks pals , Jimmy
Hi JMH, That's not the photo but it's a great one and you are only a couple of blocks away. You're getting closer. The photo had three streetcars, two going east & one going west on Craig Street. Did you ever see one of these little Birney streetcars that were run in the east end? They were bought second hand from Detroit.
Thanks Les. I don't remember too much from school but thank God the old memory banks stored away the good stuff. Streetcars, busses, Kik-Cola, Pepsi, movie theatres, The Montreal Forum, Delormier Downs, radio stations, restaurants and many great moments with Montreal friends.
Hi Fresco, ... Yes, streetcar 91-Lachine had its terminus at Place d’Armes. The only restaurant La Mer I found in this area: Restaurant La Mer - 1065 Papineau St. Montreal QC H2k 4G9 514-522-2889 JMH
Hello Walter (Fresco), After C척te-des-Neiges, the family came back to Verdun (1949-68 on Ethel St). ... Paisano Restaurant, I ate my first pizza there while I was student in chemistry at Universit챕 de Montr챕al. I preferred the pizza from Woodland Restaurant (at that time) ..... I should go to Woodland Restaurant at my next visit in Verdun. (BTW, I prefer Verdun to C척te-des-Neiges). I had always thought (and still think) that the steepest hill to be climbed by the tramways in Montreal was Atwater hill. (Tramways routes No 14-Guy-Beaver Hall and 47-St-Antoine were then in service). You certainly know that the slope of Atwater hill has been modified (reduced). You may be interested in visiting the Montreal Tramways Map of 1941 at he following site: Map of Montreal Tramways Co.(1941): http://www4.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/htm/TRBA0141.htm ... and the previous maps of 1929 and 1923: 1929: http://www4.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/htm/TRBA0140.htm 1923: http://www4.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/htm/TRBA0028.htm JMH
Hi Fresco We still have a Rexall Drug Store in Courtenay, Vancouver Island. Not as popular as London Drugs or Shoppers Drug Mart.
Hi Jimmy (kungfu), I have to make the following correction to what I wrote in my post No 475: The streetcar (Line 29-Outremont) is southbound on Bleury and is turning on Craig eastward. JMH
Hi Mom1945-Linda
Here is an old (one year) ad: Rexall Drug Store opens in Edmonton, Alberta Friday, August 27, 2004 http://www.rexall.pharmassist.ca/GrandOpenings/go_jasper.htm I’m not sure if the logo has changed since the 1940’s. JMH
Thanks Linda, It's really great to hear that Rexall is still in business.
Hi Fresco, Yes I saw the Birney streetcars in service. I think the Birneys were used on Wellington St. occasionally. JMH
Hi JMH, I never rode in a Birney car, just saw them in service. I need a time machine to go back to 1950 & catch up on things I missed. The only thing I can say about the #14 on Atwater, it was some climb. Two years ago I read an article by Fred Angus in The Canadian Railroad Historical Association magazine. The article was on the City Hall struggle to provide service up Cote Des Neighes. In that article Fred said that it was tied with two other American streetcar lines for the steepest grade. The first tracks went straight up Cote Des Neighes to Pine Avenue (in front of what now is The Montreal General Hospital) turned left then back to Cote Des Neighes. A few years later the tracks were redone to stay on Cote Des Neighes. That would be the route that you & I would remember where the tracks pass the north end of Atwater Avenue. So possibly when the Cote Des Neighes tracks were redone, Atwater Avenue may have taken the honor of being the steepest grade. Regardless, the poor old #14 had all the hills. Atwater, Claremont & Cote Des Neighes. I was on Cote Des Neighes in an old green two man streetcar during the rush hour with my grandmother one time. The breaker tripped with a loud bang. All the women screamed. My grandmother had a bad heart, thank God she was OK after the big bang. In the 1949 ice storm, a #14 slid down Claremont Avenue and crashed into Chatfield's Grocery Store. One day I rode the #14 around the entire route. At the bottom of Beaver Hall Hill the conductor came back to ask if I was OK, was I lost. Just taking a ride I explained. He was very nice & let me stay on, no second ticket. Do you remember that the #14 had a different route after 7pm. It did not run down Atwater, it turned at Westmount Station. At the other end of the line it took a left turn from Guy onto St Catherine, right turn on University, another right from University to Dorchester Street & then back to Guy St for the return trip. I used to love how the Motormen called out Guy Street in French & English. Geee-Guy they'd call out. Thanks for everything JMH. Sorry this ran so long, it's been an uphill battle. I've had my ups & downs explaining everything.
Hello, Remember the french fries travelling merchants. I saw those in C척te-des-Neiges, never in Verdun. JMH
Hi JMH, I remember the French fry trucks downtown, they had great fries. My mother often took me to the barber shop on Guy Street just north of St Catherine a little past the #65 & #14 streetcar stop right near His/Her Majesty's Theatre. A French fry truck was usually parked in front of the barber shop and usually I was lucky enough to have my mother buy fries after the haircut. The fry trucks were finally banned from the city center but you would still see them around The Lachine Market area. How about this photo of a restaurant with the KIK glace sign. Also Black Cat, Players Please cigarettes, Pepsi & Coke signs. Don't know what the LaSalle is. I remember LaSalle Taxi cars. That's not me as a kid in the photo. It would be three months later that I would arrive on the planet in St Lambert.
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Hi Fresco, My wife is from St. Lambert. Talking about St. Lambert, can you describe the location and direction of this streetcar of M&SCR ... I would suggest that the tram is on Desaulniers Blvd in St. Lambert moving westward towards Victoria Ave. Do you agree ? In what section of Desaulniers ??? JMH
Hi Dave, That had to be great going with your Dad to His/Her Majesty's Theatre. I was only in the theatre four times. Three times for special kids movies that happened occasionally where it was OK to be under age 16. The 3 movies were Robin Hood, Snow White & Bambi. My 4th & favorite time in the theatre was a live Spike Jones Show. Spike and His City Slickers were fantastic. I was also lucky enough to see Spike & The City Slickers another time at The Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto.
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JMH, I think you have the location correct. I don't know St Lambert all that well. I was born in St Lambert and then we moved to Manning Avenue in Verdun. My mother would often go to visit a friend in St Lambert. This was good because I'd always enjoy the M&SC streetcar ride from Youville Square, Black's Bridge, Victoria Bridge to St Lambert. In 1958-1959 I had a girlfriend in St Lambert but by this time the streetcars were gone and the trip to St Lambert was by Chambly County Bus Lines. I remember dances at Chambly County High, parties & going to movies in St Lambert and I'd always have to worry about that last bus back to Montreal.
Hi Fresco, LaSalle was a make of cigarette tobacco (I can’t locate the pic on ebay despite the fact that it appears on the search list ) After a google search with expression: « Lasalle cigarette tobacco » Result of search: ... TWO LASALLE CIGARETTE TOBACCO TIN TINS (25c and 65c),
TWO LASALLE CIGARETTE TOBACCO TIN TINS (25c and 65c), C $11.74, at: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&as_qdr=all&q=+%22Lasalle+cigarette+tobacco%C2%A0%22&meta= ... and I cannot find the item It was easier to locate Alouette tobacco: ... and Player’s, Macdonald’s and Sweet Caporal JMH
Hi J-M, The french-fry trucks were up and down the streets of Verdun at least during the forties. You always heard them coming as they had a "high pitched" steam whistle that could be heard long before you would see them. Definitely a neighbourhood event! Art
Hi Art (VReader9), I didn’t know that there were french-fry trucks in Verdun. Thanks, JMH
Thanks JMH. I remember those roll it yourself cigarettes and also the cigarette tins. Back in the days when hardly anyone used a filter cigarette.
Hello ! ... an easy one ... JMH
Hey jmhachey It's a bus Steve
Hi Steve (Give), Here is another part of that bus ... Do you remember the make ? JMH
Hi JMH, The photo shows the back of a Canadian Car & foundry bus. Hope you R having a great weekend-Walter
Hi Walter, A photo of a CCF/Brill (I didn’t find many with the original colors of former CTM/MTC) Have a nice weekend ! JMH
Hello, An usual transit scene on Jean-Talon at St-Laurent in 1953. New trolley buses share the road with buses and cars. Surrounding the taxi (Diamond), there are 2 vehicles: one trolleybus CCF/Brill No 4015 in service on route 95-B챕langer; on the other side, a bus is heading in the opposite direction: can you identify the make of that bus ? Source: STM JMH
wow jmh look at all the overhead wires amazing Jimmy
Hi JMH, Those trolley busses were fantastic. I loved the zing noise from the trolley wires when they were going at a good speed. I remember a story in The Montreal Star that said that the #14 Guy-Beaver Hall,#65 Cote Des Neighes & Lachine #90 streetcar service would all be replaced by trolley bus service. Unfortunately that did not happen.
Hello, Is there someone who can confirm that both the Grand Trunk Boating Club (GTBC) ...(at the foot of May Ave) and the Verdun Motor Boat Club (VMBC) (at the foot of Troy Ave) existed at the same time. JMH
Yes they did, unfortunately have no data, just personal memory. Had a friend who kept his boat at VMBC Gordo.
Hi folks ! Do you remember this building in Montreal ? JMH
Hello ! Do you remember this church in Verdun ? JMH
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Hi Bob (bubbacut) & Les, Here’s an old drawing of the bldg in my post No 508 ... BTW, look at the streetcar and horse carriage ... and the smoke ... JMH
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Hi Bob (bubbacut), Belding, Paul and Co. merged with Corticelli in 1911. Formerly a silk manufacturing factory, it has been recently renovated into residential space (1989). Belding Corticelli 1790, rue du Canal Montr챕al JMH
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You remember this famous restaurant ... JMH
This architectural artifact suffers lack of maintenance ... You remember it ? JMH
Windsor Hotel, Mayor Drapeau's Restaurant ????? Guaranteed pure Milk
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Hi jmhachey, I believe that a lot of people are getting upset that there is talk of the Milk Bottle and building being destroyed. Dannyb
Hi Bob (bubbacut) & kungfu, Guaranteed Pure Milk: 30 ft high, 24 ft in diameter, 6 tons Built in 1935, it was used as a water reservoir. The reason of this huge pint was to bring back confidence to consumers after an epidemia caused by a bad pasteurization. JMH
Not Mayor Drapeau's Restaurant
Hi jmhachey: I believe the restaurant is the 9th floor Eaton's Dining Room. My mother worked there during the war and then in later years in the 60's......Dianne
Hi Les, Good teamwork concerning the Guaranteed Pure Milk Big Bottle I was skeptical on some figures listed in my source. More specifically concerning the ratio height/diameter. Diameter: 16 ft instead of 24. (inflation :-))) Location:
The Dairy was located on Aquaduc Street and later renamed to Lucien L'Allier. Actual address: 1025, rue Lucien-L'Allier Montr챕al. More at: http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/industrial/showbuilding.php?id=IN018 JM
Hi HappyDi2 (Dianne), You are right; it is Eaton's Dining Room, 9th floor. JM
Way to go di Jimmy thanks JMH
Hi J-M and Les, Re:Guarnteed Pure Milk ! Another mind bending memory! My wife's Dad was a delivery man for GPM. Up at 4:00 AM to get to the stables and get the horse and wagon ready. Received a gold watch (25 years) and retired later. I would imagine the size and weight of that "bottle", not to mention the age, must qualify it as a hazardous structure. Thanks guys! Art
Hello ! Do you remember Calcos island in front of Verdun ? JM
My dearly departed mother, Alice Cooper, worked as the dining room
captain in that restaurant all through the Second World War, while my
father was overseas. Thanks for the photo -- wow!
Btw Customers dressed up to eat lunch there, No tee shirts, jeans and
tennis shoes in those days.
Bill Cooper
"The most effective kind of education is that a child should play
amongst lovely things."
- Plato
Hello ! Do you remember this corner in Verdun ? JM
Hi Bill (SecondAve) ! Do you recognize this sector of Second Ave ? And the lane ? JM
Hello JMH , the first photo is Argyle & Verdun (I think) ,.....and is the second photo (the one of second ave....) is it taken with that laneway looking back towards Willibrord ,just above Wellington,...So you would be on second ave in the lane going towards 3rd,....but taking the photo across 2nd,towards 1st,then Willibrord etc etc ..on the River side of Wellington........it certainly is a great picture and i walked through many of those lanes .....the little store reminds me of one that we used to go in either on 1st av near the lane (like the one in the photo) or it was besude that one in the photo (on 2nd av).......we used to put metal slugs in the coke machine,.....(for a while anyway).........hahahahahah Good Photo JMH Thanks Again.....no matter where it is.......Have Fun & Remember Verdun
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Hi Les & Steve (give), You are right ! Leonard’s was on Verdun Ave corner of Argyle. (I think it was NE corner ??) For the Second Ave., I would suggest that the lane is btwn Lasalle Blvd & Wellington or Wellington & Verdun Ave. due to the age and style of the houses (not sure !!). Was the photo taken looking west (3rd Ave) or east (1st Ave) ??? It would be of great help if we could read the addresses ... JM
Hi Les, I'm with you. The picture is as you said take from the lane between 2nd & 3rd looking toward 1st ave.between Wellington and Lasalle Blvd. The house on the bottom flat near the lane Mike Coveduct lived there. His father Duncan was the waiter in Charlies Tavern in the Point for years along with Jumbo Brown & Mike Quincy. Danny
Hi SecondAve: My mom also worked at the Eaton's 9th floor dining room during the war, as did many of her friends, and I am sure they have all passed on. She said that they
were all very close, and shared a common bond as many of them had husbands serving overseas. I asked my mom on the 50th anniversary of DDay what happened when the end of the war was declared. She said that she was working that day and someone ran into the dining room and told everyone the news, then everybody just got up from their tables and ran out into the street , so all the staff did the same and everyone was down on Ste. Catherine St. celebrating the end of the war. My mom and yours must have worked together during those terrible days.....Dianne
I agree with Les, its 2nd just above Wellington and the ;picture is taken looking towards 1st , used to have a slide behind the Barber Shop , remember when we built those huge slides snow and ice , wow , what memories , thanks JMH Jimmy p s south east corner
Hi Dianne, Loved your posting about the end of the war and how your Mom and everyone else ran out of Eaton's to St Catherine Street. Those were amazing times. Thanks for telling the story.....Walter
Thanks Dianne for your post. Our mom's must have known each other. My
mom passed away in 2000 at the age of 92! She lived through both wars,
and I can only imagine what that was like. A different world no doubt.
Bill
"Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful
stroke of luck."
- Dalai Lama
Hi secondave: My mom, Jean Rollin passed away 1996, age 75. She had many stories about the war years, her friends of the 9th floor and how they helper each get cope and survive in those days. My dad was a POW, she said if it wasn't for going to work everyday and her friends she wouln't have gotten through it
She took my brother and I there a couple of times in the late 50's and we had to wear our good clothes and really behave ourselves.
It is too bad that when Eaton's closed, they couldn't keep the dining room going, it was as much an institution as the store was. A number of years ago, French CBC TV had a special documentary about the 9th floor, it was very interesting....Dianne.
Boy, does that photo bring back memories, I use to deliver groceries for Leonard's in the early 70's, as I remember the owner was a "Irving Leonard Itzcovitch", my spelling might be wrong for the last name
Hello! An small end of war story! I lived on 4th Ave., when the war ended, and our "gang" formed up a parade and marched up the street banging our drums (garbage can lids, cardboard boxes, whatever), and leading the parade was my uncle in his car tooting away on the horn. A wonderful time even for us kids. I was 10. Art
Hi ya Dannyb ,......I just re-read your post,.......and mentioning Mike Coveyduck..........Good memory bank there Dan,.......so I am also wanting to believe that the store near the lane (sign says Barber Shop) but it alos has the coca-cola emblem on it as well........Could this be the store that provided us with Cokes,for the princely sum of some metal slugs, we got from electrical boxes.........hahahahaha Sounds like something Mike would have let us in on......and you Sir certainly have a good recall from our kid days.........Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Did Eatons sell to Hudson Bay Co? I know it sold. Is the Bldg
still there?
Simpsons was more classy and there was another more expensive store
next
block to Eatons. I forget the name
Bill
Eaton's went bankrupt , a company called les ailes de la mode spent tons of money redoing the inside of the building and reopened , but not same thing and they went bankrupt , its still open, but lost something like 25 million last year , so facade of building is still there , but not doing to well, hang tough Jimmy
To jmhachey That barber shop was called Walter's & was at the lane just below Wellington on the east sde 1st ave behind it. There was another barber shop on Second called Georges and it was on the same side also at the lane. The barber George & his family lived over the store. This was in the 40's & 50's.Remember Verdun. Gordo
SecondAve, Does Ogilvy's sound like the name you're looking for?
SecondAve, Perhaps it may have been Holt Renfrew.
Hi SecondAve, Which direction was the building east or west. There was Ogilvy's or Morgans, Simpsons. Dannyb
Thanks for the Leonard Grocery Store picture. Another great addition to our Family History project. Ruth
Mom 1945 I think it was Ogilvy's also. Wasn't Holt Renfrew a store that only sold fur coats? Ruth
Hi Ruth Probably was Ogilvy's. I believe Holt Renfrew was a department store for the rich and famous. I have never shopped there needless to say. We usually shopped in Eaton's basement bargain departments!
Hi Linda 1945-
Eaton's basement was a favorite haunt of my thrifty Mom. But even though we
were going to Eaton's basement, we always always had to be dressed in our
Sunday best because we were going "Up Town"
Ruth
Ruth, I know what you mean about going 'uptown'. But how about going to a job interview? I remember our teacher, Mr. D.G. Cumming, saying that we should wear a hat and white gloves!!!! I mean it was only for an interview with The Bell Telephone Company of Canada (now Bell Canada) lol. Oh well, I got the job and not quite sure if the hat and gloves did it. lol Cheers, Linda
Linda 1945
So funny that you also worked for Bell Tell. I had intended to go to nursing
school but had to wait a year because I was too young. You had to be 21 to
write the provincial exams to be liscienced and since I was only 16 when I
graduated fron VHS I would have had to wait a year so I decided to work for
a year instead. Was hired by Bell Tall and worked on University St until
there was a change of plans and I married a guy from Plattsburgh, N.Y.
The rest is history!!!!! Never realized the goal.
Ruth
Hi Mom1945-Linda, Can I ask what years you worked for Bell and where? My mother worked for Bell until her retirement. Thanks. Mac
Holt Renfrew store for the rich, was and is on Sherbrooke Street corner of Peel , next corner over from the Ritz Carleton Hotel now coming from the Forum, meaning Atwater first department store was Ogilvy"s then Simpsons, then Eatons then Morgans Jimmy
What about Dupuis Freres which was further East on St. Catherine, Gordo
Hi Linda, Did you know Sharon Burgoin at Bell Telephone? She was a friend and a Verdun resident....Walter
Hi, Sharon's name rings a bell, but didn't know her personally. I started working for Bell on June 25th 1962. Was there for about 3-4 years before moving on to Air Canada, CPR, and back to Bell when I moved to Ottawa. Think I had more jobs than Planters has peanuts, lol. Even tried my hand at cocktail waitressing (thought the money was real good, which it was, but boy sure is hard on the legs! Only lasted 3-4 months.). Eventually retired from Revenue Canada (Customs). Cheers, Linda
Hi Gordo (maroonvet) ! The story of Dupuis Fr챔res ... The Dupuis Fr챔res department store, Montreal, 1877, L'Opinion publique, November 9, 1877. The store founded by Nazaire Dupuis in 1868 was located at the corner of St. Catherine and Berri Streets in Montr챕al. It closed its doors in 1978.
Biblioth챔que nationale du Qu챕bec, Montr챕al *** The Dupuis Fr챔res Spring/Summer Catalogue, 1943, cover. This issue marked Dupuis' 75th anniversary. The company's two imposing buildings, the department store on St. Catherine Street, and the mail-order department on Brewster Street, provide an indication of its success.
Archives-HEC Montr챕al, Dupuis Fr챔res Limit챕e fonds, P049 More at: http://www.civilization.ca/cpm/catalog/cat2402e.html#1221671 JM
Hi Gordo (maroonvet) ! Thanks for all the info on Walter's barber shop. Have a nice day ! JM
Hello ! Is there someone who recognize this bridge over Lachine Canal ? BTW, I would appreciate a pic of the old Atwater bridge. JM
Hello ! The Natatorium ... Some photos taken today by Andr챕 Phaneuf . JM
JM isnt that the bridge leading to the pointe from Seigneur Street?
Hi ShirleyBH2 ! It’s Monk Bridge over Lachine Canal joining Saint-Henri and Ville-Émard. Have a nice weekend ! JM
Hi ! Who remember the Tramways Building at 3980 Wellington (South side, between Church and Hickson) ? Now: F Farhat Lunetterie
3980, rue Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1V3 JM
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Hi JMH, I do not remember the Tramways Building at 3980 Wellington. How many streetcar barns were there? I recall five but I can't remember all the names. The Glenn-St Henri car barn is the one I am most familiar with. How are things in Northern Quebec tonight?
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Hi Fresco ! I remember this bldg very well. There were transformers inside. According to Jacques Pharand, retired engineer, author of books on Montreal & Quebec City tramways, it was a sub-station required to maintain the power at 550 volts and compensate the loss of voltage due to the distance and the number of cars running in a section (remember the signs « section breaker » on transversal wires). Of course, there were many of these power stations in Montreal and they were built in harmony with the surroundings. (BTW, the Verdun Tramways Building is classified by the Canadian Centre for Architecture). According to J. Pharand, the last sub-station was built in 1943. Concerning the number of streetcar barns, I don’t have the answer yet. Temperature pretty sunny today and in recent days. JM
Hello ! Rush hour in 1953. 58-Wellington JM
Men's bathroom facility in Central Station June 1943 Great Comfort. Great Relief. Great Functionality. JM
Hi JMH, Sub Stations-I totally forgot about them. I can remember three off hand. One at Cote Des Neighes & Westmount Boulevard where the #65 streetcar met the #14 line. Two, on the south side of Queen Mary Road just west of St Joseph's Oratory. Three, on the Cartierville 17 line where the streetcars crossed the railroad tracks a little past Metropolitan Boulevard. There was even a single track turnoff for work cars to park by the substation. I can only recall two areas where streetcars crossed railroad tracks. The Cartierville line & the Lachine line. The Lachine line was interesting, the streetcar tracks switched to a single track before crossing the railroad. Once across they returned to double track. I remember the streetcar waiting for another streetcar travelling in the opposite direction to clear the single track.
JMH, Love the 1953 Wellington 58 rush hour photo. What a great picture.
J-M, I have to agree with Fresco re the3980 Wellington St., Bldg. If my suddenly challenged brain remembers correctly, that building was actually a Hydro-Quebec one. Now, what was in there is anybody's guess! Maybe Ol' Les will come up with the facts! Art PS. It was pretty close to the pool hall I think.
Hi Art (VReader9) ! I can only refer you to my previous message No 571. Concerning the pool hall, it was indeed a very close neighbor. JM
Hello ! Your certainly know the place where these photos were taken by Andr챕 Phaneuf on May 9, 2005. JM
Hello ! Do you remember this place in Montreal ? JM
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Thanks JM I missed your 571 Art
Hi Jean Marie, The second picture is the Atwater bus terminus across from the Montreal Forum. The first picture could be the same location if that is the Children's Hospital in the background.We left Montreal 35 years ago so I am not too sure about that Metro station. Reggie Paine Great pictures.
Hi Fresco and Jean Marie, By any chance would Eadie Street (Cote St.Paul) and Church Avenue be a street car barn? Reggie Paine
Hi Jean Marie, Was this building a place where all the conductors of the streetcars used to gather to change shifts and get there tickets and money for change for patrons. I somewhat remember a building like that close to Hickson avenue. Reggie Paine
Hi Jean Marie, This was the store I believe was owned by a very good businessman Jean Louis Levesque. I am not to sure but I believe he closed this store because the employees wanted a union. Reggie Paine
Hi Betty (Grammah2) ! You’re perfectly right ! It’s Cabot Square in front of the old Forum. JM
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Good Morning Reggie (RegtheRetiree1) ! You’re perfectly right ! It’s Cabot Square in front of the old Forum Yes, we see the Montreal’s Children in the background. This Metro station is Atwater Station inaugurated in 1966. JM
Reggie (RegtheRetiree1), This Tramways Building (3980 Wellington, South side, btwn Hickson & Church, now de l’Église) was a power station (there were many in Montreal during the tramways era). More details on my post No 571. Have a nice day ! JM
Hello ! There were several Steinberg’s in Verdun: Do you remember of the first Steinberg’s in Verdun (before these three) ? Where it was ? JM
Hey Reggie, Saint-Paul (corner Eadie and Church): The last streetcar barn built in 1929; no roof, only garage tracks according to J. Pharand. JM
Yo! I don't remember a Steinberg that far west on Verdun Ave. Any idea what year(s) it was there? The big thing I remember about the 6th Ave store was it was the first place I ever saw a door open automatically when you went to enter it. The photo cell units were installed inside of two chrome plated posts about 4 feet in front of each door. Must have walked through them ten times the first day we went there. It was about the same time that the MTC bought those flat front buses. We all wondered where the motor was on these buses, as unlike the old ones, there was no engine compartment sticking out in front of the bus! It looked like the driver had no where to put his legs! Memories!!! Art
Are you asking about the Steinbergs that was on the north East Corner of Brault and Verdun? I used to shop there all the time l970 to '80 then I left Montreal for Calgary.
The other day I wanted to refer to grocery stores in general, and remarked that "you could probably find it at Steinbergs", and two ladies looked at me wondering what the heck Steinbergs was. Out here in BC I have never seen a Steinbergs, but I lead a real sheltered life, so perhaps there may be one in the bigger centers.
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Was in the Verdun area just recently at the Lachine Racing Canoe Club reunion ( few Grand Trunk people there) and found Stillwell's. They are now located in Lasalle, on the corner of Centrale and 5th Ave. The humbugs are still great.
Hi Art (VReader9), ShirleyBH2, Mom1945-Linda, Bob (bubbacut), The Steinberg’s I am referring to was located on Wellington St. Steinberg’s Groceterias Ltd 3995 Wellington Fruits and groceries. (I went there several times; no meat sold there (no butcher)) They closed that store when they opened the one at the corner Wellington & Willibrord. (My post 590 is from Le Messager de Verdun Messenger (1955)) (Not far, on the other side of the street is the Tramways Building at 3980 Wellington) now: Look En T챗te Enr
514-767-4803
3995, rue Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1V6
now: F Farhat Lunetterie
514-769-8671
3980, rue Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1V3 JM
Hi Art (VReader9), I had the same questions when the new buses with the rear motor replaced the old ones with the front engine. Leyland bus in 1930: (Leyland Motors Ltd, Preston, UK) BTW, would you have photos of the old buses of make Reo (Reo Motors Inc, Lansing, MI) and White (White Motor Co, Cleveland, OH). JM
Some Canada goose (Branta canadensis) ... flying over Chicoutimi heading to St-Fulgence, Que. (8 May 2005) More at: http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i1720id.html JM
Hi ! An opportunity to learn lawn bowling ... Le Messager de Verdun (8 May 2005) JM
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Hello Bob (bubbacut) ! As you know, area code for Montreal is 514. Code 450 is outside the island of Montreal. Code 450 refers to Martine Mimeault The Lawn Bowling Club is still at the same place in Verdun (area code 514) Verdun Lawn Bowling Club, 6000 boulevard Lasalle Verdun , QC, Tel:(514) 768-4059 JM
Hi Bubbacut, Miracle Mart was bought by A&P when they bought or tookover the Dominion Stores. Some Dominion and Miracle Mart stores were closed and then re-opened as Food Basics (Bob's,Franks and Ernies). I think you live in Oakville where I used to live before heading out to London. Dorval and North Service Road is The Barn which was formally known as A&P and then closed down.The Miracle Mart on Upper Middle Road east of Trafalgar Road I think 8th line changed to Ultra Mart Food and Drugs. Reggie Paine
Hi Jean Marie, That store brings back a lot of memories. My brother was responsible for buying the bread for the family, 15 cents a loaf. Plus another feature was the bread was sliced. Everyday we would walk from Claude Street all the way to this location.I believe that was Steinberg's first store as well as the first place selling sliced bread. Great topic. Makes the grey matter move again. Thanks for the memories JM. Reggie Paine
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Wellington & Gordon , Northeast corner. Closed when Willibrord store opened. Cordo
Hi Bubbacut, Sobey's at 3rd Line and Upper Middle used to be a Safeway grocery store. I believe maybe 12 years Sobey's bought the IGA stores but not all of them. Maybe IGA kept about 2 or 3. Sobey's is very big in the Maritimes and some stores in Quebec as well. Buying A&P will no doubt make them the biggest. Loblaw's are also expanding into Quebec with very large superstores opening in Lasalle,Longueil and Delson or Candiac. Very interesting but we all have to eat. Have fun. Reggie Paine
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My Son and his Family live on Andover
rd in Oakville,Margo
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Hi Reggie,
Thanks for the info about Sobey's - I was in the store this morning while you were writing. Actually those Loblaw Superstores are great and are knocking the competition silly in the Oakville area. They carry everything from car oil to barbeques as you know and have opened up in the old Maxi place on Dundas and Trafalgar. Where did you live in Oakville? Sounds like it is close to me.
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Hi Reggie, (RegtheRetiree1) I have the same memory about the sliced bread sold by Steinberg’s at 3995 Wellington. Do you remember the trademark of that bread ? I think it was Modern Bread or Modern City Bread ??? JM
Verdun ... looks like a small village ... (Photo by Andr챕 Phaneuf, 10 May 2005) JM
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