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1 – 200 of 1419 Newer› Newest»Hi jmhachey Welcome to the Verdun Connections site......Thanks for those two pictures,.....you will find plenty of interesting stuff appearing on this site......and if You have stories you'd like to relate about Verdun (Montreal) etc etc ) then jump right in ........and if you can post some old photo's of our old stompimng grounds then that would really Appreciated as well........... Schools , old friends, sports , ......or just jump right into any topic that happens to appear.....everyone is helpful ,so if you have any questions ,we will try our best to accomodate........... Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Your warm welcome is highly appreciated, J.M. Hachey
Hi Jean-Marie: Welcome. I would (as would the other members, I'm sure) appreciate a glimpse of what Crawford Park was like during the 40's and 50's. Are there any memories you can share with us? My understanding is that the bulk of Crawford Park was built after the war ended in 1945. But what was the area like before this substantial development? Was it all farm land, or were there some houses there prior to the war (perhaps along LaSalle Blvd?). And how did the post-war development occur? Did it occur all at once, or was the development spread over a decade? Although I'm not from Crawford Park, one of my cousins moved to Crawford Bridge circa 1953 and my impression is that the houses on Crawford Bridge were a bit older than those of the more westerly streets. Perhaps you could shed some light on this interesting and significant part of Verdun.
I have just looked at the 21 postcards on the website provided by Jean-Marie Hachey - great photos! Some of the locations shown in the photos are easily identifiable or obvious, but others are not. I highly recommend taking a moment to have a look, and perhaps comment on where you think the locations are.
Hi Banjo4141, I was born on Leclair Ave in 1940, the house was built in the period 1936-8. As far as I can remember, most of the houses in Crawford Park were already built before the war. Most of Crawford Park was built before 1940s. In the 1950s, the development was essentially completed. Globally, I would say that the development of Crawford Park was initiated by the economic crisis of the 1930s. An important step was the construction of residential buildings under the supervision of the National Housing Act of 1938. Being interested in the history of Verdun, you will certainly appreciate the most recent book on Verdun history published in 2000: GRAVEL, Denis et H챕l챔ne Lafortune, Verdun, 125 ans d'histoire, 1875-2000 Soci챕t챕 de recherche historique Archiv-Histo Inc, (2000). ISBN 2-920480-68-5 (318 pages, many photos and illustrations) BROWN, DAVID. "Crawford Park in Verdun," in A Topographical Atlas of Montreal/Atlas topographique de Montr챕al, J.W. Wolfe and F. Dufaux, eds., Montreal, McGill University, School of Urban Planning, 1992, pp. 50-54.
Thank you very much for this information, especially the recommended reference material.
Thanks a lot for this information .
I appreciat the English.
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The postcards on the Bibliotheque nationale du Quebec web site are so good, I had to go back for a second look. Here are a few comments of my own: Photo #4: St. Clement's Anglican Church - The photo is of the original building before the addition (bell tower; east and west front doors, etc.) was built taking the front of the church up to the street line. The lot to the west side (covered in brush in the photo) was to be the parish graveyard, but was never used, and I believe it still exists today as a simple grass-covered lot. Photo #10: In the "you learn something every day" category, I was not aware that there was a steetcar line on LaSalle Blvd.! Amazing - it ran all the way to Foch in Crawford Park in the very early 1900s! Note that there is only one set of tracks. Either there was only one tram on the route at a time or there was one or more sidings along the way to allow for more than one tram on the route. Photo #17: Does anyone have any information about the Verdun Tourist Camps on LaSalle Blvd? Imagine - Verdun as a tourist destination! Photo #18: There seems to be only one set of tracks on Wellington St. I wonder when the set set was built. Again, were there sidings along the way? Photo #19: This photo looks like it was taken from the south side of Wellington St., just about at the corner of Gordon. A few months back there were several posts about the South Western (Verdun) YMCA and Les posted some YMCA photos, including one of the original Verdun YMCA located somewhere on Wellington Street. A number of us wondered just where on Wellington St the original YMCA was located. I can't find the photo Les posted on our site, but I am almost positive the building on the left of Photo #19 is the original Verdun YMCA (note the large windows on the second floor). If I'm right, then the original YMCA was located on the North side of Wellington between Galt and Gordon. Les, would it be possible to post that photo again for comparison purposes? Thank you again, Jean-Marie, for providing valuable insite to our history.
The caption on this photo "New Protestant School, Verdun, P.Q." and the date is c.1914. Is this Verdun High or another school? It seems to be the only building on the street.
The "new Verdun School" would have been bannantyne School. This photo shows the entrance on Gordon and the main entrance on Bannantyne Ave. The Verdun High School building at Argyle and Champlain was opened on September, 1933. (this is according to C.E. Elliott's "A Short History of Verdun High") According to the same book, The "new school" on Bannantyne between Gordon and Galt was ready for occupancy for the 1910/1911 school year.
It sure does look like Verdun High.
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The caption on this photo "New Protestant School, Verdun, P.Q." and the date is c.1914. Is this Verdun High or another school? It seems to be the only building on the street.
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Is this school on Argyle Street?
Maggie, I totally agree with you
I believe Maggie is correct; this would be the original Bannantyne School building. The entrance on the left is on Bannantyne Ave., while the entrance on the right would have been the original entrance on the Gordon Ave. side. Confusion may be caused by the fact that some years later, an addition to the school was built on the Gordon Ave. side. For those of us who went to Bannantyne School, the original Gordon Avenue entrance became the ground floor doorway between the original building and the ground floor "play" area of the addition. I can't be sure, but I think there was another small addition made to the original building on the Galt Ave. side, and if so, most likely before the Gordon Ave. addition. Check out the web site recommended by J-M Hachey for a great photo of Woodland School the year it was built (with no other buildings in sight!).
yes this is verdun high school on argyle st which later became argyle academy im 100% sure
My Godmother and Godfather have lived at 1733 Leclair in Crawford park as long as I can remember 50 years and my 3 cousins Maureen, Colleen and Kathleen (Twins) were born there and my Aunt and Uncle still live there today. I think that my cousins initially went to a little school in Crawford park then on to VCHS.
Hi Shirley, I was born at 1051 Leclair in Crawford Park (I still have photos )
Hi Banjo4141, How many redtops were there on the boardwalk in Verdun. I think there were 3 of them (but I’m not sure of the most eastward one of them) Foot of the following streets: Godin, Woodland and 2nd Avenue ??? These redtops were built in the 1930s ? Thank you. P.S. answers to your questions (Photos #10 and 18) on the streetcars routes in Verdun will come soon. (I’m still searching information) JMH
Hi Linda,
I wonder if you wouldn't mind posting that photo of the school in the
'Pictures' section. I cannot sign in to Passport MSN.
Bill
I don't think Galt Ave Is anywhere near Bannatyne School.
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I that one was closer to Galt Ave.
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How many redtops were there on the boardwalk in Verdun.
I think there were 3 of them (but I’m not sure of the most eastward one of them)
Foot of the following streets: Godin, Woodland and 2nd Avenue ???
These redtops were built in the 1930s ?
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Hi Jean-Marie: How many redtops on the boardwalk - now there's a test of memory. I am sure of the one at Woodland, and the one at Godin. I am almost positive there was another to the east but can't be sure if its Second Ave. A few of my brain cells are suggesting there might have been another west of Godin, but other brain cells are telling me I'm losing it. Can anyone else help with this question? Do the redtops (large gazebos would be a way to describe them, I guess) still exist? Bill
Hi give me one 1: Bannantyne School was on Bannantyne Ave between Galt Ave and Gordon Ave. I used to walk up Galt to go to school there, and entered the school grounds from a gate on Galt. Bill
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I have posted a photo of Verdun High as supplied by Gord Gibbons in 2003. As you can see, this is not the school that is in the picture in question. There is a photo of Bannantyne School in a photo Album called "Bannantyne" in the Pictures file here at VC. You can almost see the original school hidden within all the expansions that took place. Still having fun.....remembering Verdun
Hi SecondAve (Bill) I reposted the photo in the album "History of Verdun". Cheers, Linda
I found those photos, thank you.
Are there any pictures of Crawford Park? My cousin grew up there and
asked me to ask you all.
Bill
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I don't know if they are still standin.
The red top your looking for is the one just before you
come out at Galt Ave.
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Okay my mistake,what was the one on Bannantyne and Godin?
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I believe the school you are thinking about is Riverview School. It is located just north of Bannantyne Ave on either Godin or the next street to the west.
Okay thanks. Got that one mixed up with the
other one on Bannantyne.oops
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Hi Jean-Marie: Thank you very much for the very detailed explanation, and for adding the various references. This information certainly adds to our understanding of the Verdun of old. Merci Bien a vous, Bill
In french, we used the name « kiosque ». The name « kiosk » in english seems to me appropriate. Redtop was really a popular name. So the question remains, how many of these structures were located on the boardwalk in Verdun ?
Hi Bill, I think you will be interested by the following link: It’s an old (1913) map of Verdun by Charles E. Goad Co, available on the web: http://www2.biblinat.gouv.qc.ca/cargeo/htm/TRAM.htm A very Merry Christmas to you and your family, Jean-Marie Hachey Note: The Charles E. Goad map making company was established in Montreal, Quebec, in 1875. In its business of creating fire insurance plans, the Charles E. Goad map making company was the most comprehensive company in its coverage of Canada. http://www.trentu.ca/library/archives/76-027.htm
A recent website produced by Mus챕e virtuel Canada Virtual Museum Verdun. Histoire d’eau, de terre et de coeur. http://www.museevirtuel.ca/pm.php?id=exhibit_home&fl=0&lg=Francais&ex=00000141 http://www.museevirtuel.ca/pm.php?id=story_line_index&fl=0&lg=Francais&ex=00000141&pos=1 More than 118 thumbnails. Each thumbnail contains specific information.
Whatyear was this, I lived across the street from the school on Galt in the 40s.
Hi Guy, Excerpt of a message sent by MaggieMcK: The "new Verdun School" would have been Bannantyne School. This photo shows the entrance on Gordon and the main entrance on Bannantyne Ave. ... According to C.E. Elliott's "A Short History of Verdun High", The "new school" on Bannantyne between Gordon and Galt was ready for occupancy for the 1910/1911 school year. Verdun yesteryears, Message 12, Sent: 19/12/2004 11:28 PM MaggieMcK This information is further confirmed by a map of Verdun from 1913. « Bannantyne Ave school » appears on that map on the south side of Bannantyne Ave between Galt and Gordon. This Charles E. Goad map is available on the web: http://www2.biblinat.gouv.qc.ca/cargeo/htm/TRAM.htm JMH
JMH, This might interest you. It is a paper written by Serge Durflinger a Verdun native, Ph.D in Canadian History from McGill University, presently attached to The Canadian War Museum. The article deals with the period 1941 to 1946 in Verdun, the War Industry and Economic Recovery after the effects of the Depression on the Verdun working-class labor force. Just a very interesting paper. Another glimpse of Verdun history by a native son Serge Durflinger. Gary Victoria, BC
Hi Gary, I was aware of the thesis of Serge Durflinger. He was one of the members-founders of La Société d’histoire et de généalogie de Verdun (SHGV) in 1995. You will have more informations about the SHGV if you take a look at the message I posted (A 2005 bilingual calendar of Verdun history). ... The 'Soci챕t챕 d'histoire et de g챕n챕alogie de Verdun' was founded in 1995 by Beno챤t Arcand, Serge Durflinger, Normand Houle, Gilles Laberge, Clovis Monarque, Jacques Plante et Jean-Philippe Rheault. Its mission is to: 쨌 Raise awareness to the treasures of our past . 쨌 Encourage conservation of our heritage . 쨌 Promote and broaden our historical and genealogical knowledge 쨌 Publicise and draw attention to the natural and cultural inheritance of the City of Verdun (now the Verdun Borough of the City of Montr챕al) ... Also, visit the site of SHGV: http://www.ville.verdun.qc.ca/shgv/ My best wishes for the new year. JMH
Hi Bill, A question on Canadian history: The last fatal duel in Canada: Where (it’s not Perth), when ? the opponents ? the victim ? JMH
Hi Jean-Marie: This is going to be a wild, and partial, guess: Where: Toronto When: c. 1870 Opponents: Two members of Ontario's legislature (one or both were cabinet ministers) Victim: ? Bill
Hi Bill, Was the duel in Toronto in 1870 a fatal one ? Do you have references on it ? This information from factscanada.ca: June 13, 1833 -- The last fatal duel in Upper Canada (Ontario) took place in Perth. Defending his honour, John Wilson shot and killed Robert Lyon, who had called him a liar and assaulted him. Wilson was charged with murder, but acquitted. It was five more years before the last fatal duel occurred in Lower Canada when, on May 22, 1838, in Verdun, Lower Canada (Quebec), lawyer Robert Sweeny shot and killed Major Henry Warde who had sent a love letter to Mrs. Sweeny. A duel is formal armed combat between two people in the presence of witnesses, to settle differences or a point of honour. Duels were recorded in New France as early as 1646. The last known duel in what is now Canada occurred in 1873 in St. John's, Newfoundland -- an apparently hilarious shootout in which the assistants (known as "seconds") had loaded the participants' pistols with blanks. Duels originated in France and were originally fought exclusively with swords.
http://www.factscanada.ca/sunday/sunday-2001-23-06-10.shtml JMH
My guess (the wrong one, as it turns out) was based on a tidbit of information bouncing around my brain. The duel I was thinking about actually occured in January 1800 (not c. 1870), and was between the Upper Canada (Ontario) Attorney General John White and a lawyer named John Small. Both men had been insulting each other's wife for some time and eventually Small challenged White to a duel, and White was killed. As a side note, in 1817 Samuel Jarvis (later a prominent politicial in Upper Canada) killed John Rideout in a duel. Rideout's "second" was John Small's son, James Small. Bill
A book was published in 1934. Author: Aegedius Fauteux. This book is available free on the Net via the BNQ Le duel au Canada / Aegidius Fauteux
Montréal : Les Éditions du Zodiaque : Librairie Déom frère, impression 1934
317 p.
(16 Mb file) By the way, the body of Major Henry Warde was first placed inside the Pavillon of Verdun after the duel (which occurred in the backyard of this house). JMH
Sorry, I forgot the website: Le duel au Canada / Aegidius Fauteux
Montréal : Les Éditions du Zodiaque : Librairie Déom frère, impression 1934
317 p.
http://www.bnquebec.ca/numtextes/tl415.htm JMH
Who knows the actual names of the following streets in Verdun ? Laggar, Kalmar, Innisfail.
Old map of Verdun Date ? Author: ?
Map of Verdun (A. H. Pinsonnault, 1907)
Map of Verdun (A. H. Pinsonnault, 1907). Planche No 36. All these cards and many others can be observed at: Société d’histoire et de généalogie de Verdun Centre culturel-Salle Canadiana 5955 avenue Bannantyne Verdun, Qu챕. H4H 1H6
Awesome maps M.Hachey! Thanx, Brady
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Hi Bill, A photo of Crawford Park, Leclair Ave in 1948 JMH
Hi PFQs I was born in Crawford Park. At that time, my parents lived with my maternal grand-parents. My parents didn’t have the financial means to buy a house in Crawford Park. They moved in Cote-des-Neiges in 1942 where my sister and two brothers were born. I went to St. Pascal Baylon Elementary School for 2 years. In 1949, my parents came back in Verdun where they bought a house on Ethel St. where I lived for 18 years. Not that rich ! I would rather say of modest origin ! JMH
Guess from where this photo was taken ?
Rouelle Victor
It looks like ,just to the left of the laneway (out of view) on the Church Av side . would have been the entrance to the Hickson Pool Hall which was upstairs.... but the picture looks like it was taken in the laneway called Victor about 50 feet above Wellington On Hickson ........ the next street up would have been Ethel,then Gertrude ........I think ....
Hi Les, That’s it. Ruelle Victor Victor Lane (as known internationally :-))))) At that time, the eastern limits of the lane was Mullarky Ave (now Lasalle Blvd) I spent a lot of good time in that lane ! I always wonder what was the origin of the name ? Do you know it ? (I never made any research on that) Congratulations for your superb work for VC. JMH
Hello JMH , I don't know the origin of that name, but I will try to find out...... I wonder if it was a short cut taken by people walking to work up Lasalle Blvd at the Ammo Factory's ,during the War years........ ?? I never knew that Lasalle blvd was nicknamed Mularcky Blvd...........I'll ask my mother and see if she Remember's that name ( or the origin od Victor) ......My mother to this day will say something like "Oh, Your full of Mularcky"..............hahahahaha
Yes, the Hickson Pool Hall was upstairs DeLaunières Men’s Clothes (NW corner Wellington & Hickson). Looking at the photo, the house on the lef (on Hickson) was the place of Pete Lapello (shoe shine and hat cleaning business) and next was our barber shop (Arthur Belisle, whose son Jean-Paul was city counsellor for Verdun). On the right side was March챕 Brossoit Market (as known in those days). There was also another grocery: Jeanneau & Tougas on Wellington. (A street on Nun’s Island bears his name Rolland-Jeanneau)
Also (at least in the 60's & early 70's ) there was a Restaurant (open late ) called Mikes......sw corner of Wellington......they also had a Recepton Hall ,over the restaurant that you accessed on Hickson ........later the name was change to 'Da Michelle'.........Do Remember the old Bowling Alley between hickson & Church Av .......right about the middle of the block.......it was really a character old place ( code for dump) ..but they still had 'Pin Boys ' to set up the pins and I think they had a couple of pool tables in there as well........I am sure there was two levels .....you came in off Wellington and the alley's were below street level...sort of sunken , then there was a large wooden staircase that brought you up to the other lanes and tables..... I really think that it may have become Pascal's Hardware store Wellington Entrance later on ....Remember Pascal's..? with an entrance on Church Av as well.......
Hey Les, Mullarky Ave was the name of the eastern section of Lasalle Blvd between Wellington and Verdun Ave. You can look at an old map of Verdun (1913) on the following site: http://www.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/htm/TRAM.htm JMH
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Yes, I remember the bowling alleys (the reputation of the place was questionable for some people), Mikes, Da Michelle, Pascal’s. The expression you used: in the 60's & early 70's : recalls me of a CBC Radio One program with Danny Finkleman on Saturday night. Finkleman’s 45 (Music of the 50s, 60s and early 70s) You certainly know that program ! http://www.cbc.ca/finklemans45s/
Hi Les, You wrote: I typed in the address in the last post ,but it would only bring me to the bnquebec page but I did find it anyway ... Instead of typing, you just have to make a copy (i.e. SELECT and COPY) of the address and then paste it in the URL window. (avoiding the errors and much faster) I wonder if the factories addresses were on Mularcky ....I guess they The main entrance of the DIL was located on River St.
what about Woolworth's or the Five and Dime?
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Your right JMH , but I get in a mode and just start typing,I guess .... and I never mkae splelnig errors.............hahahahahaha http://www.bnquebec.ca/cargeo/htm/TRAM.htm Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Les F;
Mike's Spaghetti House" was there even earlier than you mention. Try the
late 40's & 50's. As a beat cop my older brother often got a freebie min the
middle of the night which was traditional & acceptable in those days because
you where doing your job & keeping a eye on the various establishments along
Wellington or elsewhere. Another spot from the same era was the Greek Rest.,
on the corner of Wellington & Rielle.
I will remember the owner's name of the spaghetti house in the next couple
of hours or it will keep me up all night. I assume we are talking about the
same place which was located on the south side of Wellington at Hickson
accross from the old "Verdun Palace" theatre which used to give a piece of a
complete dinner ware set with your admission ticket during the 40's (War
Years). Mother & sisters & Dad sometimes were able to put to-gether a full
set for our house which at one time was up to 14 persons.
By the way, tks., for your response to my "Heads Up" about my receiving
e-mail viruses. I never got them into my PC as my anti virus quarantineed &
deleted same but gave me the e-mail addresses of the senders which included
an Ontario Gov't., site. I e-mailed both & things have gotten very quiet
since. I sure like the anti virus software that deletes but provides the
senders e-mail address since it allows you to take some action.
Sorry I am getting so Windy, Regards,
Tony.
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Hi Les, According to my ref., the model is: 1950 Packard Club Coupe : http://summerville-novascotia.com/Packard/1950.html Who’s right ? JMH
Who remember the makes of the busses that were running on Verdun Ave in the late 1940s and 1950s (Route 8-Verdun-Atwater) ?
Hi Les, The dealership was on Hickson (W side) between Wellington and Ross (back of Mike's Spaghetti House) I think that the name was: Maurice H챕roux Automobiles (Hudson, Packard, Nash (not sure of Nash)) JMH
Thanks JMH I wonder if the library in Verdun would have pictures of that area......boy there were sure quite a few Car Dealers in Verdun........ BTW i recieved an e-mail from the Verdun Library today (in response to my question last week ,about telelphone books) it seems they have referance material that anyone can access ,but only in person................but at least they responded to my question ,,,,,,,which is more than Bell globalmedia has done ......(so far) .......Customer Service .......Remember when Bell had some...........hahahaha
Hello Les, There was a lot of car dealers in Verdun in the 1950s: on Bannantyne, Verdun Ave, Church, Woodland, Wellington, ... The increase in the value of the land, the lack of space, forced them out on the South shore. Concerning Bell Canada, I also regret the good old times when they had a customer service ... LOL BTW, the Verdun Library is similar to many other public libraries: not enough budget, lack of electronic services ... so we have to go there in person as in 1875 ... JMH
Hello again Les, Two weeks ago, I selected the STM website as my opening web page (before I had bell-sympatico, but there was too much publicity) http://www.stm.info/ In the late 1940s and 1950s, the main makes of busses on line 8-Lasalle-Verdun were GM; Mack, series 800; and Brill. I remember that the GM busses were more frequent on that line (maybe because of their more powerful engine and better brakes in reference to the challenge of Atwater hill) ************ Photo. 01: On Atwater Street in wartime in 1943. Notice the soldiers waiting in line to board the number 882 Mack bus; a southbound tramway is still visible afar; the headlines about the world conflict on the hooked papers at the rough-and-ready newsstand. The Kangaroos! That's what the bus drivers called the 800 series Mack buses. Since they were not equiped with a clutch, leaving a street corner was a rather jumpy experience! ************ Photo. 02: Number 427 is a 1944 GM bus. ************ Photo. 03: A Canadian-Car/Brill Bus of the 1947 series. This vehicle bears the Montreal Tramways Company identification. Source on busses: Soci챕t챕 de transport de Montr챕al (STM) http://www.stm.info/ ************ JMH
I remember those buses very well. For winter transportation there were
no comparisons. They had the greatest rear bumpers in the country.
Plenty of sitting room, or if sliding behind was your preference, then
gripping access was at a premium. The replacement buses sucked for the
financially challenged passenger. Oh ya, the good old days in Verdun.
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Hi JMH I am familiar with that great service and I have used it on occasion through our GVPL here in Victoria.......but I don't think that 'Referance' books are included in this service......... most library's are on line these days and some great material can be borrowed........I almost always use the on-line selection of books to borrow, as a matter of fact I have to pick up two more books ,that are waitng for me as we speak....I also have to return 'For Services Rendered' by John Sawatsky......that one of our members mentioned last week.......Thanks Again for all your input...
A streetcar to be characterized ... Can you identify this streetcar, its location, its direction, the period of the day, the year? Isn’it a superb photo ?
Wellington that is the 58 Streetcar
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Hi Steve, You get one answer right; 4 questions remained unanswered. JMH
Useless info.....did you know that people who line up for the bus are only in Quebec area..they mob the doors in other cities..
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Wellington #58 of course, headed west from Place D'Armes. Corner is McGill &
Notre Dame ( Victoria Sq.)
My guess is it a summer photo, re., the girl's dress at the left hand pole &
the family on McGill headed north (no topcoats, etc.) Maybe late spring.
Tony
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My guess the photo was taken on an early Sunday morning, e.g., no traffic,
etc.
Tony
Hello Again JMH , I know where that tram photo is taken, but I'll refrain from answering..........and trust me that's a tough thing to do..........hahahahahaha
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Hi Tony, Your guess is pretty good. But, I would like to add some details: The tramway is heading west on St.James St. corner McGill. The photo was taken (at least signed) by: W. O. Enright The date on the filename: May 30, 1954. I would say that it was in the afternoon (position of the sunlight) Sunday morning quite possible at this important intersection. http://www.homestead.com/indexgwm/wellington58may301954ws.html JMH
You said it! People in Toronto no nothing about queuing up for anything. Even at ABM's. In Montreal, if there are 4 machines there is one line and as a machine becomes available the next person moves there. Not in Toronto, if there are 3 ABM's, there are 3 lines - go figure?!! As well, a lot of people here get way too close to you when you're at an ABM - they're almost looking right over your shoulder. YOu've got to give them a look or if they're too stupid to understand, you have to say something to them. It's another world and not very civilized or sophisticated, yet Torontonians think they're "IT" when it comes to Canadian culture, manners, intelligence, political correctness, "YOU NAME IT - THEY'RE THE BEST". They are a sad lot of people that's why I'm living in Pickering, the people here are far warmer and friendlier than those &%$*# Torontonians - but I'd rather be back home even more. Heather Holdgate
Way to go Heather. Torontonians have no "Savoir-Vivre".
PFQs
How true that statement is. There are also the coldest people to make friends with. At lest back home everyone was friendly when we were growing up. I live in Brampton and they are all cold fishes.
Margo
Hehehe..pick on trona ...hahaha..lived there for two-three years..so American in their ways.(ducks here)
Denis; If you receive this let me know please. I have sent several replies, which seem to have gone for nought Gordo
Today: at 3180 Wellington: Canadian Tire Associated Stores
514-766-8561
3180 rue Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1T3
Do you remember what was there in the 1950s ?
maroonvet
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I have found much the same thing in the past 20 years in Ontario. I'm in Pickering as well! We have a next door neighbour who seldom, if ever, speaks. We can walk out the door and be face to face and he says nothing. Well the other night I was chatting with his sister in law, who is very firendly and it turns out we are all from Montreal. We agreed that it happens very often that you get into a conversation with someone here and hit it off very well, then find out that at some point you were both from Montreal. Well, the neighbour who never speaks - he grew up in St Henri. Now, at least he smiles at me. Maggie
Today: at 3180 Wellington: Canadian Tire Associated Stores
514-766-8561
3180 rue Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1T3
Do you remember what was there in the 1950s ? My guess is that is was Page & Fils car dealership!
Hi Bob, Very close to the answer: In the 1950s, there was a Chrysler-Plymouth-Fargo dealer at 3180 Wellington: Verdun Motor Corporation Ltd.
Hi again Bob, Pag챕 & Fils Lt챕e Page & Sons Ltd was at 3350 Wellington, Verdun. (Ford Monarch dealership in 1955) *** In 2005 at 3350 Wellington: Fix Auto Verdun
514-761-2764
3350 Wellington,
Verdun, QC H4G 1T3
JMH
Here's one for ya all, 1: What was at the name of the business at the NW corner of Galt and Wellington before the Metro station was implanted there. 2: What was the name of the restaurant at the NE corner of Gordon and Wellington pre 1960? 3: What kind of business was next to the restaurant in the # 2 question? Bob G
1-Greenbergs
2-Prince Of Whales
3-?
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1:Greenbergs 2: New Verdun (before moving to the center of the block) 3: beside the restaurant on Gordon Av.? if yes , then it was a Chinese Laundry ( right behind the New Verdun Restaurant at the laneway ( an old wooden bldg) .....when they built the Metro Station Greenbergs moved diagonally to the corner of Gordon & Wellington ( after they tore down ,the old houses that were destroted in a fire) (my house was one of them)............ Sally Shops was right across the street from me & they had a great marble floor (or polished granite) where I used to skateboard....early 60's).................
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JMHachey That's a great ad ,where did you find that one of the Verdun Motor Dealer on Wellington.......that's neat.............. Nice Work,
Anybody remember these? From 1951.
"1:Greenbergs" Correct "2: New Verdun (before moving to the center of the block)" Correct I also knew it as the Royal Tea Room and owned by a Greek called Nick. "3: beside the restaurant on Gordon Av.? if yes , then it was a Chinese Laundry ( right behind the New Verdun Restaurant at the laneway ( an old wooden bldg)" Correct I remember it also as a chinese Laundry, The big gate between the chinese laundry and the New Verdun was the rear entrance to Fred Martin's Grocery Store ..... also had an uncle Phillip that lived above the Grocery store. That corner and the Prince George at the next corner over were my favorite hang outs for many a good years 1955 to 1959. The shop to the right of The New Verdun was a Hat shop that steamed and shaped the fedora's of that era and a shoe shine parlor owned by another Greek Gentleman. I used to go in there and get my shoes shined for a whole .25 cents, next to the grocery store there was a furniture store. This is where I got my first glimpse of the Montreal Royals game on TV. The TV used to come on the air just before game time and then the indian head would come on immediately after the game. Nothing like today's 24/7 ~ 120 TV stations day in and day out. And Les on the skateboards, never had the pleasure, I had graduated to a 1956 Tiger 110 Triumph by that time. Regards, C U all later. time to come back to reality. Bob G Sunny California ~ Now Raining again more water than we need at on time. Found one of my baby pictures
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Hi Les, The photo is from Le Messager de Verdun The Messenger 7 July 1955, p. 13. (available on microfilm) Microfilms of old newspapers can either be borrowed through Interlibrary loan services, or bought from: La Soci챕t챕 canadienne du microfilm inc. http://www.socami.qc.ca JMH
Hear the big picture http://yototo.com/subway-metro/index.html Questions: 1) Can you name the place where this audio was recorded ? 2) Name the stations visited 3) What is the cause of the typical 3 sounds heard when the engines are starting to run: Something like: tooommmm......toooooommmm......toooooooooooooooooommmm...... The effect is more realistic if you set the volume at proper level (high). JMH
Never having taken a ride in the Subway (Metro) but having worked at the Back Shop (days of the Monster Steam Engines) and Diesel Shop at the CNR shops in Pt. St. Charles my guesses are as follows: The sound are coming from inside one of the metron cars, one of the stations is Jean Talon, the squealing of the wheels on the tracks as it is making a slight turn, and the three toooooooom .... tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo are more than likely the changing of gears driven by the electric motors as the cars speed up. Bob G
Hi Mom1945-Linda
I wonder where was Connaught Elementary School Do you have photos of that school to share ? JMH
There was a dealership of that make in Verdun 50 years ago (on Bannantyne).
Les, you restore vividly my memories of that biscuits store. I remember Biscuiterie Id챕ale Biscuits on Wellington, facing NDSD Church. Yes, I remember the smell of maple leaf biscuits, they had glass (not plastic ) bins all around the store. There was a self-service for certain kinds of biscuits, for others, you have to ask the clerck to serve you. When I was about 15, a few days before Christmass, they used to have a living Santa Claus in their store window. The man was sitting and balancing in his Grandfather's Rocking Chair. On our way to school (Ecole sup챕rieure Richard, 200 Galt), as we passed in front of the store, we looked at him and teased him with grimaces, etc. Suddently, he got fed up, stopped balancing and ask us to go away. Do you remember of that living Santa (Maybe it was a long time before your visits at that place). JMH
Hey JM, Was that the Buick, Pontiac Dealer called Lalonde's on Bannantyne, my Dad won a Buick from them through the Lottery scratch off's years ago. Here is a picture of my 56 taken in 1958, purchased for $600.00 a lot of money in thoses days for a young 18 year old. Picture was taken on Decarie just up from JJ Joulbert stables in front of the CPR shops. I had a wreck with this one at the corner of 3rd and bannantyne, a drunk ran the stop from south to north on 3rd, I smacked him and he ran into the gas station at the North West corner of 3rd and bannantyne. Gas station has now been replaced by an apartment bldg. that goes from 3rd to 4th presently. It was a 1956 Oldsmobile, my first car with an automatic transmission. That was fairly new Technology in those days, we had just gotten out of the Hydramatic phase of hi-tech transmissions. LOL
'50 desoto??
You’re right Les, De Soto 1955. Ouellette Motor Sales Ltd Dodge De Soto Dealer 4475 Bannantyne Verdun. Tel. YOrk 0280. In 2005: Bingodrome Enr
514-768-2481
4475, rue Bannantyne,
Verdun, QC H4G 1E2
Hi Bob, The world is small !!! I worked as an office clerck for Lalonde Automobile (One year in 1959) in order to pay my studies in chemistry (B. Sc., M. Sc. and Ph. D. at Universit챕 de Montr챕al). For me, Lalonde Automobile has always been a Mercury, Lincoln, Meteor dealer. They also sold Mercury trucks. Lalonde Automobile Lt챕e 3897 Bannantyne Verdun In 2005: Paysagiste Roche Inc Rock Landscaping Inc
514-769-6685
203-3897, rue Bannantyne,
Verdun, QC H4G 1B7
Toram Design Inc
514-751-2323
3897, rue Bannantyne,
Verdun, QC H4G 1B7 JMH
USNavyBob, You must mean between 4th and 5th avenues. That is where the newer building is. The gas station was taken down a few years back. 3rd Ave. runs North to South. and 4th the opposite. Danny
This is advert from 1958.
Can't find any notation on this photo, but is this Verdun's "58"? I also can't see any tracks on the road. Maybe someone might recognize the buildings in the background.
Hi Mom1945-Linda
Nice photo of streetcar 2666 on line 58-Wellington in Verdun. The photo was taken on Wellington at Woodland loop (west terminal). The angle and the resolution does not permit to observe the tracks (there have always been 2 sets of tracks on Wellington). One can observe the typical architecture of many houses in this section of Wellington (embedded balconies). Tramways were introduced in Verdun in July 1899; their last day was April 28, 1957. JMH
HI Mom1945Linda, I believe that the streetcar is on Woodland and if it was a little bit more forward you can see what is now Woodland Restaurant. Which is on the NW corner of Wellington and Woodland. It was turning back. What do you think Les. Danny
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It looks like it might be at
Wellington And Lasalle
not sure which direction
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Thats Argyle in the back ground
and I lived at 5515 Wellington
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Hi beeaired
"Hehehe..pick on trona ...hahaha..lived there for two-three years..so American"
I can tell you first hand that you are wrong with that statement! At leasst here in New England, we know our neighbors, keep keys for each others homes, and never have a problem lending a helping hand. The ethnic makeup is largely Irish & Italian. It is more like Verdun than you are aware. Oh yeah.. very big sports enthusiasts too...not to mention having a pretty impressive lineup of major sports teams like the Red Sox & the Patriots!
Can you identify this modest car ? (Sold in a Verdun dealership)
Ford Falcon
Here's alittle blurb on that car ....... http://menziesera.com/cars/falcon.htm it was a very basic car ,usually with a 6cyl. .......My Uncle had one of these , while we(my oldman) prefered GM..........
Notice the picture of the car on the website I posted is that of Ford's Austrailian version of the Falcon ( hence the steering wheel on the 'Other' side..........anyone pickup on that...?? Austrailia had another popular selling brand,called the Holden ( they were pretty much GM knock offs) if you ever look up Holden's you will see a definite resemblance to North American GM stuff,,,,,,,,,Have Fun & Remember Falcon............(sorry 'bout that)
Hi Les, You’re right, Ford Falcon 1960 Sold by Lalonde Automobile 3897 Bannantyne Verdun JM
A luxury car ... at Lalonde Automobile (Jack Tietolman of CKVL Verdun had one)
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Like duh!!..See trona has not won the Stanley cup for eons even with all the millionaires on the team..seeems Edmonton did it a few times tho.Won any Stanley cups there..hmmm?? What is hockey anyway..as they feud over who will make the most money..
Ford Falcon Or Futura
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57 or 58 Lincoln Continental.
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I do believe it is a Ford Falcon, my Dad had one identical Pat
Hi Steve, It’s a Ford Falcon 1960. See message No 140 above JMH
Hi Pat, It’s a Ford Falcon 1960. See message No 140 above JMH
Remember CKVL and CKVL-FM Verdun, on the air 24 hours a day ... Jack Tietolman Biographical sketch
Jack Tietolman was born December 25, 1909, and died in Montreal February 24, 1995. He married Deborah Costom with whom he had six children. He had a career of over 40 years’ duration in broadcasting. In 1934, he created the General Broadcasting Company. He opened the French-language radio station CKVL in 1946. He was president and principal shareholder of Radio Futura Limited, Verdun Radio Centre Inc., Radiomonde Limitée, Radio and Television Sales Inc., Verdun Import Sales Corporation and other companies; most were related to the promotion of radio stations. *** To know more, see Concordia University archives:
http://archives3.concordia.ca/Privatefonds/P113.html JMH
Hi Bob, I forgot this important car dealer at 3350 Wellington, Verdun: Champlain Dodge Chrysler Jeep Lt챕e: http://www.champlaindodge.com/ JMH
Hi Bob G. 1) M챕tro de Montr챕al 2) Stations visited: Acadie, Parc, de Castelnau, Jean-Talon. 3) Noise (3 notes of music !) due to current choppers used to regulate the acceleration of the MR-73 vehicules (in service on lines 2-orange, 4-yellow and 5-blue). These choppers deliver in 3 steps the required 750 volts to run the motors. When these MR-73 will be replaced, the 3 notes of the old system will disappear. http://www.stm.info/en-bref/faq3.htm#metro http://www.stm.info/English/en-bref/a-index.htm JMH
An this one ...
JMH ........I will refrain from this ,question ,and give others a chance to respond..........but I will be watching,,,,,,,.........hahahahaha
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I’m sorry, I made a mistake: Lalonde Automobile, 3897 Bannantyne, Verdun was selling the Ford Frontenac 1960. It was the Canadian version of the Ford Falcon. Compare the models.
Do you recognize an historic bldg of Verdun on this photo taken on 27 Jan. 2005 ?
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interesting sites....but....I don't think that this is the same "laughing cows" that were at the Elmhurst building. Does anyone know? It doesn't look familiar to me.
Old Dairies in Verdun There were 5 dairies in Verdun: Laiterie H. Girard 567, Evelyn, Verdun. Gordon Dairy (1926 - 42) :
"F. J. Edmonds"
Fred J. Edmonds "Gordon Dairy"
453, Gordon Ave. Phone : YOrk 5706 The dairy was taken over by his wife in 1941
Source : Dale Peacock collector Verdun Model Dairy Regd: Two addresses : 444 Church and 272 Church Verdun. Underhill Farm Produce (1926 - 41): Underhill Farm Products Co.
2085, Church Verdun - Tel. YOrk 7330 - years 1926 to 1931
2083, Church Verdun- Tel. FItzroy 7114 - years 1931 to 1934
2149, Church Verdun - Tel. FItzroy 7114 - years 1935 to 1941
Searches: Robert Beno챤t collector Elhurst Dairy Ltd (1909-66) Verdun Branch 101 River, Tel. FItzroy: 6969 Verdun The fate of the old Verdun’s dairies: After WWII. Sources: 1) Quebec Dairies website: http://laiteriesduquebec.com/frames3an.htm 2) HACHEY, Jean-Marie, Anciennes laiteries de Verdun, Revue de la Société d’histoire et de généalogie de Verdun, Les Argoulets, Vol. 9, No 1, p.8-9 (2004).ISSN 1201-706 X JMH
Wasn't Crawford Park the rich part of Verdun.
Only if you had money........
Just in case Linda doesn't answer...Connaught was in LaSalle...along with Cecil Newman and Bronx Park Elementary Schools.
Connaught School was in Ville Emard/Cote St Paul, on Laurendeau Blvd, and I think the cross street was deBiencourt. I have tried to find a pic, but to no avail. Sorry for the tardy response. Cheers, Linda
Hi JudyinCalgary1 & Mom1945-Linda Ref.: I wonder where was Connaught Elementary School Two replies received yet: (Messages 162 & 163 above) Connaught was in LaSalle...along with Cecil Newman and Bronx Park Elementary Schools. Connaught School was in Ville Emard/Cote St Paul, on Laurendeau Blvd, and I think the cross street was deBiencourt. A photo and some historical notes of that school will be appreciated, JMH
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Ref.: I wonder where was Connaught Elementary School Connaught was in CSP/Ville Emard. Last couple of years at Bannantyne we were "sent" to Connaught for woodworking class. To try and build things that never fit together and never got finished...welll I finished a nic-nac square shelf thingy.. proudly hung in our living room until my Father figured out how to get rid of it... So Ville Emard it is.
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Does anybody remember the Surplus Store
on Wellington near Six Ave.
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Yup 9 cent batteries, small mechanical calculators, coin changers like the streetcar guys, nic-nac crap and lots lots of fishing gear. Loved my Zebco spinning real and fishing rod with case.....two doors down from a great shoemaker I believe..
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There are many lanes in Verdun, only three bear a name: McDougall, Quinn and Victor. Can you locate them ?
Quinn runs parallel to Verdun Ave between Gordon and Rielle? Haven't a clue about the other two.
Quinn Lane runs North parallel to Verdun Ave between Galt and Rielle. Recent map of Verdun: http://verdun.ville.montreal.qc.ca/a24-en/carta24a.asp
Hi jmhachey, Don't forget the Alley-O was also a lane with a name. It ran between Willibrord and Rielle just next to Willibrord. I think they blocked it off when they built the new school. Dannyb
Sorry it ran next to St Willibrords Girls School. The same as Verdun ave. It had a large hill in the center. Dannyb
I Remember that one very well DannyB ....a big concrete ramp in the middle of the lane right at the cross section of the lane that ran towards Bannantyne btwn Rielle & Willibrord
Hi Dannyb--1, Concerning the lane by the name of Alley-O, I see that name for the first time. It should be added to the list of the 3 names already reported on the city map of Verdun. http://verdun.ville.montreal.qc.ca/a24-en/carta24a.asp JMH
Hi Dannyb--1, Would you have photos (exterior views) of the old St. Willibrord’s schools (boys and girls) ? Could you describe us the exact location of these schools ? (As I can remember, the girls’ school was on Verdun Ave (North side) btwn Willibrord & Rielle) Is it alright ? And the boys’ school ? Regards, JMH
Hi everyone, Re: First studios of CKVL Verdun I didn’t see yet any author describing the first studios of CKVL Verdun in the local above Poissant’s Reception Hall (la Salle Poissant) (on Lasalle Blvd corner Lafleur). The authors describe only the site of 211 Gordon. Does anybody remember Poissant’s Reception Hall ? ... and can give us a glimpse of the early history of CKVL. Biographical sketch
Jack Tietolman was born December 25, 1909, and died in Montreal February 24, 1995. He married Deborah Costom with whom he had six children. He had a career of over 40 years’ duration in broadcasting. In 1934, he created the General Broadcasting Company. He opened the French-language radio station CKVL in 1946. He was president and principal shareholder of Radio Futura Limited, Verdun Radio Centre Inc., Radiomonde Limit챕e, Radio and Television Sales Inc., Verdun Import Sales Corporation and other companies; most were related to the promotion of radio stations. ... http://archives3.concordia.ca/Privatefonds/P113.html JMH
Can you locate that streetcar ? Its direction ? Which line ?
Champlain blvd going down between 5th ave.
It was the 25 going east over the
old Wellington Canal Bridge
You’re right Les. Location: West exit on Cote St.Paul Bridge over Lachine Canal. Direction: Heading west on Chemin de la C척te St-Paul (Cote St.Paul Road). The tram line: 25 Notre-Dame C척te-St-Paul. This tram line (25-Notre-Dame - Côte St-Paul) was inaugurated in 1918. At that time, its west limit was at Church & Drake. The service became available in Verdun from 1919 till 1953 when it was replaced by bus line 25-de l’Église. (Many modifications were made on route 25, essentially in its Verdun section). JMH
JMH the picture of the #25 Tram was interesting ,and the whole website has some really good shots of trams , somewhat surprising that alot of those tram pictures were not on the STCUM history pages......but nevertheless , I had fun finding them......I hate to give up.....
Hi Les, The STM has a link to that website in the section « To learn more » within the History pages. http://www.stm.info/English/en-bref/a-savoirplus.htm Look for: Dave's Electric Railroads There are also many other interesting links in section « To learn more » JMH
Who remember what was the first (and only) streetcar line serving Verdun exclusively ? Which line ? Which period ? Who remember the first bus lines desserving Verdun exclusively ? Which lines ? Which period ?
Thanks Again JMH I never noticed that link from the stcum site, and yet I've been on all the other links they post......must have been a brain freeze, causesd I have read almost everything on the old MTC site........I actually found that site then quite by accident last night ,after reading your question re: #25 .... Tram.......Just goes to show ,that there is more than one way to skin a cat.......Thanks Again for making us Think Have Fun & Remember Verdun
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How many Steinberg’s stores in Verdun in 1955 ? ... and where ?
JMH you notice there is no address on the ad for the Park Theater......I wonder if everyone just knew where it was........hahahaha The other ad lists fifth & wellington this is one of the old theaters........
3 Willibrord & Wellington, 6th & Verdun, Beatty & Verdun
Hi Maroonvet, Directly from Le Messager de Verdun The Messenger Aug. 4 th, 1955, p.3. Regards, JMH
Energie Cardio
Montreal, QC VERDUN
3841, rue Wellington
(dans l'ancien cin챕ma .............. Fifth Avenue)
Tel : (514) 769-5863 And who is the actual occupant of former Park Theater ?
Beatty or Brault all looked the same from the avenues. Gordo
I remember that the Park Theater was on the west side of Church Ave. But, at the foot of which street ??? Evelyn ??? Joseph ??? Does anybody have a photo of that theater ?
Hi Jean-Marie: The Park Theater was around the foot of Joseph. The "lane-to-nowhere" between Galt and Church (running south from Claude) that I mentioned in an earlier post ended around the back of the theater. We used to play ball hockey in this dead-end lane. For a time I lived on the north side of Claude two houses from this lane which also went north from Claude to across Bannantyne, after which it made a left turn behind the catholic church. I think you mentioned earlier that this lane was one of the few lanes that actually had a name (as a kid, it was just "the lane" as in "were you playing in the lane again - just look at the dirt on your clothes..."). Ah, the good old days... Bill
Jean-Marie: As to who occupies the old Park Theater now, I haven't a clue. Been away from home far too long. I do remember that later on (mid 1960s?) it became a bowling alley. Bill
Hi Jean-Marie: What universities did you teach at? My son-in-law received his B.Sc and M.Sc from the University of Quebec in Quebec City (he's from Beauport). He later went to McGill to do his Phd (where he met my daughter who was doing her M.Sc). Bill
The Park turned into a pool hall in the 60's. I spent many a day playing snooker and blackball. The table right at the entrance was where the "big stakes" games were played.Always had the best felt on it. Was there when Fern Marcotte came back from signing his contract with the Bruins. No million dollar deal like today,,,,but he was giving out cigars anyway!!
Hi Bill, I was professor of chemistry at the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi (UQAC) JMH
Bill, Now, ... I remember, ... of course .... the post office was on Church at the foot of Evelyn
Hi Jean-Marie: I was just curious that perhaps my son-in-law had been in one of your classes, but since he was in Quebec City and you were at UQAC, it is not possible. Bill
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Do you remember your first TV program ?
Yes I do remember my first show that I really enjoyed, was Jackie Gleason & the June Taylor Dancers on Sat,nights.The other show was I love Lucy That would have been around 1953.great shows and live to boot. Deedee
I remember the very first television program I used to watch was in 1953 and was called "Life with Father" with Leon Ames and Lurene Tuttle. My favourite program was "Its Howdy Doody Time" with Clarabelle the Clown and "Roy Rogers & Dale Evans". My Christmas present one year was a metal lunch pail with both Roy & Trigger & Dale on it. I don't still have the lunchpail, but here's a photo of it. Cheers, Linda
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