THANKS for stopping by, I do my best to acknowledge when someone leaves a comment,you do not have to be a member here & everyone is welcome.
Ps: This site is monitored but not actively posting on a regular basis. Mostly these are stories & some photos saved from a defunct site known as Verdun Connections which was on MSN Groups initially then on a social network called Multiply.
Monday, July 31, 2006
CRAWFORDPARK,VERDUN
ANYBODY LIVED IN CRAWFORDPARK,LIVED THERE FROM 1943 TO 1961
I was born on Foch Crescent in July 1848. Also, lived on Leclair Street. Went to Crawford Park Elementary (about 2 years) and Verdun High School (1961-65). Lived in Victoria, BC since 1991. Brad Atchison
Hi grizly1968 Welcome to this board. Nice to see a fellow "Vancouver Islander". I graduated from VHS in 1962 and now live up island in the Comox Valley. Cheers.
Hi. I lived on Foch Cresent from 1944 to 1964 . What a wonderful place for one to grow up in. I remember skateing in the park in the winter when there was only a rink and a shack with a stove where we would dry our mittens, and a tennis court just behind our street. We would go to the Old Stone House to have Christmas Parties. We also went to the building on the corner of Foch and Churchill to see Roy Rodgers movies. My sister went to the one room school house , which later became Crawford Park School. Our church was only a basement until they finally completed it years later. July 1st was always a great time for all, when we would decorate our bikes or carrages and there would be prizes for the best. I would love to hear from anyone from the park, and enjoy old memories that have never been forgotten. Joyce Pedder
Hi Joyce: I knew your brother Frank. Around 1965 - 1966 Frank would drive me and a couple of friends down to Nappeirville to the drags races. Did he not work for Air Canada? My husband Paul Nowlan lived at 1203 Foch until 1970. I think he knows your family. Dianne
Hi Dianne. Wow!! This is great. Yes, my brother did spend most of his time at the drag races with Erskin Young and many others friends. He is living in Lachine on 46th ave and has two grown children and five wonderful grandchildren. He married Judy, a girl from the Gaspe. So you are married to Paul . I remember him so well. I use to follow him while he did his paper route. This is what makes Connections so great. Finding old friends. Do you or Paul know where Brian Connely is now. Where are you and Paul living. I am living in Kelowna BC. I moved here with my husband at the time, twelve years ago. I have been on my own for the past ten years. You can write to my e-mail address if you would like to. It would be great to catch up. Joyce
Hi Joyce: Where to start....lol.....Paul and I live in Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, been here for 34 years. We have 2 daughters and our oldest Jennifer has 2 children and another due in Feb. Brian Connolly and Paul keep in touch. He lives in Hudson, Quebec, married with step children. He is teaching high School but will retire soon. I have your email address and will email soon. Here is mine diannenowlan@hotmail.com Take care.....Dianne
Hi Judy and Barry. So glad to hear from you . I have been so busy with family lately. Another new grandson and lots of visitors this summer. My sister Claire and her husband are on their way to Paris next week. I went for a ten day trip to Montreal in July, and had a great time seeing old friends. The place sure has changed. I am still living on my own, and am doing really good. Spend most of the summer at the pool in my condo complex. What a life. Keep Kelowna in mind for a visit, as I would love to have you both stay with me. Its a wonderful place. I will write more at your e-mail address. Love Joyce
Moved to Leclair in 1958, did grades 3-7 at Crawford Park then on to VHS, graduating in '67. Moved east then to go to university and only went back for a few visits. Loved growing up in Crawford! Jim
Hello JOHNMELINVIN2, I knew somr Taylor's...................and I knew some Furies,.........although (& I may be mistaken)...........it was spelled Fury, The father was named Vic,........and worked in my oldman shop, one son Named Freddy married to CArol(Ibelieve) another brother ...............blah blah blah,..........and so on
Yes your right, was spelled Fury Raymond , vic, Ingrid, and i think Florence.Nice family. I visited my daughter in Quebec last month and i droved around Crawfordpark, still the same.
Yes your right, was spelled Fury Raymond , vic, Ingrid, and i think Florence.Nice family. I visited my daughter in Quebec last month and i droved around Crawfordpark, still the same.
Hi JOHNMELVINVIN2,.........Then it was the same Family,....after Vic (the father ) sort of retired ,He would often work for my oldman,...He was a great old guy,.....and he was an expert at cooking arctic char,...You see everyone who stopped by the shop,.always had a specialty,...whether it be steaks,.fish,..stews,..etc etc,.........it was a very sociable spot,.....where differences were left at the door........hahaha and we had everyone from Cops to Crooks come & visit,. no questions asked..................................or answered........hahahahaha There was Vic ,Freddy,.Raymond,.(you mau be right about the sisters name ,.i don't remember her (right now anyway),...and i don't think I ever met the mom Small world really..........................
NOT SURE IF I E-MAILED THIS ONE RIGHT....DOES ANYONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPEN TO NORMAN LONGELY.HE USE TO LIVE IN AND OUT OF THE DOUGLAS HOSPITAL .HE HUNG AROUND GIVENS RESTAURANT IN CRAWFORDPARK AND AROUND THE CHURCH AVE SUBWAY.HE LIVED MAINLY ON LOYD GEORGE STREET.
Hi John. Yes , I do remember Doucetts grocery store. One memoriy I have is when my brother Frank and I went to the store at the end of the day, to pick up some groceries our mother needed, and became locked inside. I would have to guess we were around seven or eight at the time. Well, the store was closed, but the door was left ajar, and so we walked in with out a care in the world, not knowing that the door locked behind us. What a shock it was for us when we reolized that no one was there, and the store was closed. I remember telling my brother to try the phone's , but they didn't work. You would have thought two little kids would have had a great time , eating candy , cookies or what ever we wanted, when no one was around. Instead we both cried so loud that the Doucetts, who lived upstairs from the store, heard us , came down and opened up the door and let us out. Thanks for bringing back memories of Doucetts. Joyce
Hi Joyce: I just read your post to Paul and he remembers the Doucette's store. It must have been pretty traumatic to be locked in the store! I'll email you soon. Dianne
WHAT IS A POST AND HOW DO YOU GET TO READ POST.. IT WAS ME THAT MENTIONED DOUCETTS AS MY FATHER AND HIM WERE FRIENDS..I KNOW OF VERDUN CONNECTIONS .ARE THERE ANY OTHER VERDUN SITES.
hi joyce it is great how a name of a place could bring back memories.I just love reading about verdun and its past. my last trip to Crawfordpark ,month ago,i can not remember what is there now at doucets corner. always wonder what happen to the Rangers Campbells kotars holetts( i know drucy died) Stewarts ( Jean) so on so forth john
Hi John,.....you have been 'posting' msgs. a message or a post,.just refers to the same thing, just describes typing in & leaving a note for everyone on the boards here on the site: hope this helps,.............and hope you keep on posting : Also if you have any old pictures from your days in Montreal/Verdun etc etc ,...we would appreciate seeing them ,.if you feel like it,........ and shopuld you need any assistance in 'How To' do anything here on the site,....then don't hesitste to ask,...and you will find most everyone is more than happy to lend a hand,where we can: You seem to Remember Verdun quite well.Do you still live inQuebec,..??
John, depending on what email provider you use, you may be better off changing your email settings to HTML formatting. Write to me at mumagain@hotmail.com if you want assistance without providing your email messages in "public"
Hi again from memories of Crawford Park. I have some great picture's of many children sitting around watching movies at the old stone house, and would like to share them with friend's from Crawford Park and Verdun Connections. My problem is, I don't know how to put them on line and add them to your picture collection. I know that John is in the pictures, the Greenway's , and so many other kids that he will remember, so I would like any help I can get to tell me what I need to do. I have a old computor that my son gave me, and I am not sure if it can do what it needs to do to make this all happen. If I need to, I can find a friend with a more update computor , and with your help , maybe we can make it work. Thanks, and I look forward to hearing from you. Joyce
Hi Joycie915,......Those sound like really interesting pictures,....I beleive also at one time ,the Sea Cadets,or Boy Scouts ,or something like that used to meet in the old stone house as well,...but to see this colleection of yours showing some kids actually gathering there would great,: Do you have a scanner with your computer? (if yes, the pictures can be scanned,.& then posted or emailed to one of us to post) (if no , then perhaps your friend could scan these photos for you ,.and either email them directly to you ,and then you can post them here,......or they may be able to put them on a clank CD-R,....for you and then you can open that CD ,on your PC,....and either store them to your hard drive,..or post them directly here that way:) Either way Joycie We will defineitly Help you figure it out,..... Also depending on where you live,.your local library also may have the faciltities to assist you in doing this as well,.....Most library's offer the use of one of their computers,and can also reproduce or print copies of things for you,.....Usually this is a Free service (the printing part ,for other documents & stuff has a small fee,.but you wouldn't need that part of the service,....Most library's are very Helpful as well: but when your ready ,just ask,...and someone here will try & help Thanks for the post,.....sounds like you have some neat old photo's
Hi again. Crawford Park was a very special little place to live in. We were a very small development that was part of Verdun, and yet not really Known. The homes were war time built, and for some unknown reason, it was a place where everyone knew each .other . I was born on Foch Cresent, in the year 1944, My father, was a child shipped to Canada from England, at the young age of 12, worked on farms and over the years learned the French Language, and became a Canadian . Sometimes I think about what my father had to do to make a home for his family , and what it took to keep it together. Were are all the values of today's family's going. Everyone today is worried about material things, and forgetting what hard work our parents did to give us the knowledge, to make our life worth while. I guess what I was starting to say was, wouldn't it be great if we could all get to know who lives next door to us, and have that warm little comunity we remember from our childhood. Where are all the Crawford Park Kids, and wouldn't it be great to come together today ,and share such great memories . I look forward to hearing from you, and rebuilding friendships of yesterday. With fond memories Joyce Pedder
Hi Joyce: Where I grew up on Angers Street in Cote St. Paul we had that same close knit community where every one knew each other and helped each other in times of need. Today, so many of us moved away, we on this board probably live in all 10 Provinces, many in the States and I believe Europe too. It is wonderful that technology connects us all, even though MSN is being miserable these days. When we first moved here it took us a long time to feel a part of the community. It was only after my girls started school and I joined the PTA did we begin to make close friends. There were times I wanted to move back to Montreal, but now I am very happy living here and in fact I have lived longer here {34 years} than I ever lived in Montreal! Besides, there is no one left in Montreal that I grew up with, they have all moved away! Having said that, it is wonderful reconnect and toshare so many great experiences from the past with people from Verdun/Montreal/Cote St.Paul .
hi Les Thanks for your reply The wife and I live in Ontario now, she was from Brown Blv anf I, Crawfordpark..We both have good memories of Verdun. I have seven sisters and a twin brother, all born in Verdun General or Royal Vic hospital. I lived in a upstairs flat and i remember the coal man coming to hoist up the coal to put in our coal shed.. John
Hi Joyce I was born one year before you, 1943.. My father had 9 children and like your father he worked long hours .He worked at CN Rail .He used to walk from clemenceau street to crawfordbridge street to get the 58 bus to go to work.. I do not know of any father that did not work from Crawford..and yes, everybody knew everybody..was a good place to grow up.Do you remember the sirens going off at the Douglas when some escape from there.. ha ha..we use to all run home when that happen.. John
Hi Joyce Pedder how are you.I am Just going thru VC messages..saw your name and wondering how u are doing...hope all is well..please do drop me a line once in awhile.How is Frank doing. John Taylor john2004@rogers.com
Hello blorraine,....... I have added your friends name to the "In Memoriam' section,.available for anyone to see,whenever they would like I added what I could find of his Obit Notice,......from the Star Phoenix Paper,...if this info isn't correct,then let us know ,& we will be glad to change it,.Also If you have acopy of the complete obit,..or you have more to ad,.then we can post that in the Memoriam Section,.and I will remove the one I have posted hf&rv
That's great then,........if you need a hand with posting anything ,pictures etc etc ,.There is always someone here on the site that is more than Happy to try & help.......................................................................... HF&RV
think his brother name was Bobby Kotar...Is this the same Kotar that lived on foch ave..If I remember right Kenny had lots of freckles..Kenny Kotar once saved my life when i was drowning in the St Lawrence river..His father was a hard working man and strict..very.
47 comments:
I lived on Clemenceau from 1962 to 68. Just after you. Carol
I was born on Foch Crescent in July 1848. Also, lived on Leclair Street. Went to Crawford Park Elementary (about 2 years) and Verdun High School (1961-65).
Lived in Victoria, BC since 1991.
Brad Atchison
Hi grizly1968 Welcome to this board. Nice to see a fellow "Vancouver Islander". I graduated from VHS in 1962 and now live up island in the Comox Valley. Cheers.
Hi. I lived on Foch Cresent from 1944 to 1964 . What a wonderful place for one to grow up in. I remember skateing in the park in the winter when there was only a rink and a shack with a stove where we would dry our mittens, and a tennis court just behind our street. We would go to the Old Stone House to have Christmas Parties. We also went to the building on the corner of Foch and Churchill to see Roy Rodgers movies. My sister went to the one room school house , which later became Crawford Park School. Our church was only a basement until they finally completed it years later. July 1st was always a great time for all, when we would decorate our bikes or carrages and there would be prizes for the best. I would love to hear from anyone from the park, and enjoy old memories that have never been forgotten. Joyce Pedder
Hi Joyce Glad to see you joined Verdun Connections....it is a great site, Have not heard from you in awhile, hope all is well. Judy (Brown) Wright
Hi Joyce: I knew your brother Frank. Around 1965 - 1966 Frank would drive me and a couple of friends down to Nappeirville to the drags races. Did he not work for Air Canada? My husband Paul Nowlan lived at 1203 Foch until 1970. I think he knows your family. Dianne
Hi Dianne. Wow!! This is great. Yes, my brother did spend most of his time at the drag races with Erskin Young and many others friends. He is living in Lachine on 46th ave and has two grown children and five wonderful grandchildren. He married Judy, a girl from the Gaspe. So you are married to Paul . I remember him so well. I use to follow him while he did his paper route. This is what makes Connections so great. Finding old friends. Do you or Paul know where Brian Connely is now. Where are you and Paul living. I am living in Kelowna BC. I moved here with my husband at the time, twelve years ago. I have been on my own for the past ten years. You can write to my e-mail address if you would like to. It would be great to catch up. Joyce
Hi Joyce: Where to start....lol.....Paul and I live in Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, been here for 34 years. We have 2 daughters and our oldest Jennifer has 2 children and another due in Feb. Brian Connolly and Paul keep in touch. He lives in Hudson, Quebec, married with step children. He is teaching high School but will retire soon. I have your email address and will email soon. Here is mine diannenowlan@hotmail.com Take care.....Dianne
Hi Judy and Barry. So glad to hear from you . I have been so busy with family lately. Another new grandson and lots of visitors this summer. My sister Claire and her husband are on their way to Paris next week. I went for a ten day trip to Montreal in July, and had a great time seeing old friends. The place sure has changed. I am still living on my own, and am doing really good. Spend most of the summer at the pool in my condo complex. What a life. Keep Kelowna in mind for a visit, as I would love to have you both stay with me. Its a wonderful place. I will write more at your e-mail address. Love Joyce
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Moved to Leclair in 1958, did grades 3-7 at Crawford Park then on to VHS, graduating in '67. Moved east then to go to university and only went back for a few visits. Loved growing up in Crawford!
Jim
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Hello JOHNMELINVIN2, I knew somr Taylor's...................and I knew some Furies,.........although (& I may be mistaken)...........it was spelled Fury, The father was named Vic,........and worked in my oldman shop, one son Named Freddy married to CArol(Ibelieve) another brother ...............blah blah blah,..........and so on
Yes your right, was spelled Fury
Raymond , vic, Ingrid, and i think Florence.Nice
family.
I visited my daughter in Quebec last month and i
droved around Crawfordpark, still the same.
John
Yes your right, was spelled Fury
Raymond , vic, Ingrid, and i think Florence.Nice
family.
I visited my daughter in Quebec last month and i
droved around Crawfordpark, still the same.
John
Hi JOHNMELVINVIN2,.........Then it was the same Family,....after Vic (the father ) sort of retired ,He would often work for my oldman,...He was a great old guy,.....and he was an expert at cooking arctic char,...You see everyone who stopped by the shop,.always had a specialty,...whether it be steaks,.fish,..stews,..etc etc,.........it was a very sociable spot,.....where differences were left at the door........hahaha and we had everyone from Cops to Crooks come & visit,. no questions asked..................................or answered........hahahahaha There was Vic ,Freddy,.Raymond,.(you mau be right about the sisters name ,.i don't remember her (right now anyway),...and i don't think I ever met the mom Small world really..........................
did you know the Holetts family on clemenceau st.
John
NOT SURE IF I E-MAILED THIS ONE RIGHT....DOES ANYONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPEN TO NORMAN LONGELY.HE USE TO LIVE IN AND OUT OF THE DOUGLAS HOSPITAL .HE HUNG AROUND GIVENS RESTAURANT IN CRAWFORDPARK AND AROUND THE CHURCH AVE SUBWAY.HE LIVED MAINLY ON LOYD GEORGE STREET.
HI DO YOU REMEMBER A DOUCETS GROCERY STORE ON CLEMENCEAU AND CHURCHILL OR IS THIS GOING BACK TO FAR.
Hi John. Yes , I do remember Doucetts grocery store. One memoriy I have is when my brother Frank and I went to the store at the end of the day, to pick up some groceries our mother needed, and became locked inside. I would have to guess we were around seven or eight at the time. Well, the store was closed, but the door was left ajar, and so we walked in with out a care in the world, not knowing that the door locked behind us. What a shock it was for us when we reolized that no one was there, and the store was closed. I remember telling my brother to try the phone's , but they didn't work. You would have thought two little kids would have had a great time , eating candy , cookies or what ever we wanted, when no one was around. Instead we both cried so loud that the Doucetts, who lived upstairs from the store, heard us , came down and opened up the door and let us out. Thanks for bringing back memories of Doucetts. Joyce
Hi Joyce: I just read your post to Paul and he remembers the Doucette's store. It must have been pretty traumatic to be locked in the store! I'll email you soon. Dianne
WHAT IS A POST AND HOW DO YOU GET TO READ POST..
IT WAS ME THAT MENTIONED DOUCETTS AS MY FATHER AND HIM
WERE FRIENDS..I KNOW OF VERDUN CONNECTIONS .ARE THERE
ANY OTHER VERDUN SITES.
JOHN
hi joyce it is great how a name of a place could bring back memories.I just love reading about verdun and its past. my last trip to Crawfordpark ,month ago,i can not remember what is there now at doucets corner. always wonder what happen to the Rangers Campbells kotars holetts( i know drucy died) Stewarts ( Jean) so on so forth john
Johnmelinvin2: Re Message 24..........????????????? Dianne
Hi John,.....you have been 'posting' msgs. a message or a post,.just refers to the same thing, just describes typing in & leaving a note for everyone on the boards here on the site: hope this helps,.............and hope you keep on posting : Also if you have any old pictures from your days in Montreal/Verdun etc etc ,...we would appreciate seeing them ,.if you feel like it,........ and shopuld you need any assistance in 'How To' do anything here on the site,....then don't hesitste to ask,...and you will find most everyone is more than happy to lend a hand,where we can: You seem to Remember Verdun quite well.Do you still live inQuebec,..??
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John, depending on what email provider you use, you may be better off changing your email settings to HTML formatting. Write to me at mumagain@hotmail.com if you want assistance without providing your email messages in "public"
Hi again from memories of Crawford Park. I have some great picture's of many children sitting around watching movies at the old stone house, and would like to share them with friend's from Crawford Park and Verdun Connections. My problem is, I don't know how to put them on line and add them to your picture collection. I know that John is in the pictures, the Greenway's , and so many other kids that he will remember, so I would like any help I can get to tell me what I need to do. I have a old computor that my son gave me, and I am not sure if it can do what it needs to do to make this all happen. If I need to, I can find a friend with a more update computor , and with your help , maybe we can make it work. Thanks, and I look forward to hearing from you. Joyce
Hi Joycie915,......Those sound like really interesting pictures,....I beleive also at one time ,the Sea Cadets,or Boy Scouts ,or something like that used to meet in the old stone house as well,...but to see this colleection of yours showing some kids actually gathering there would great,: Do you have a scanner with your computer? (if yes, the pictures can be scanned,.& then posted or emailed to one of us to post) (if no , then perhaps your friend could scan these photos for you ,.and either email them directly to you ,and then you can post them here,......or they may be able to put them on a clank CD-R,....for you and then you can open that CD ,on your PC,....and either store them to your hard drive,..or post them directly here that way:) Either way Joycie We will defineitly Help you figure it out,..... Also depending on where you live,.your local library also may have the faciltities to assist you in doing this as well,.....Most library's offer the use of one of their computers,and can also reproduce or print copies of things for you,.....Usually this is a Free service (the printing part ,for other documents & stuff has a small fee,.but you wouldn't need that part of the service,....Most library's are very Helpful as well: but when your ready ,just ask,...and someone here will try & help Thanks for the post,.....sounds like you have some neat old photo's
Hi again. Crawford Park was a very special little place to live in. We were a very small development that was part of Verdun, and yet not really Known. The homes were war time built, and for some unknown reason, it was a place where everyone knew each .other . I was born on Foch Cresent, in the year 1944, My father, was a child shipped to Canada from England, at the young age of 12, worked on farms and over the years learned the French Language, and became a Canadian . Sometimes I think about what my father had to do to make a home for his family , and what it took to keep it together. Were are all the values of today's family's going. Everyone today is worried about material things, and forgetting what hard work our parents did to give us the knowledge, to make our life worth while. I guess what I was starting to say was, wouldn't it be great if we could all get to know who lives next door to us, and have that warm little comunity we remember from our childhood. Where are all the Crawford Park Kids, and wouldn't it be great to come together today ,and share such great memories . I look forward to hearing from you, and rebuilding friendships of yesterday. With fond memories Joyce Pedder
Hi Joyce: Where I grew up on Angers Street in Cote St. Paul we had that same close knit community where every one knew each other and helped each other in times of need. Today, so many of us moved away, we on this board probably live in all 10 Provinces, many in the States and I believe Europe too. It is wonderful that technology connects us all, even though MSN is being miserable these days. When we first moved here it took us a long time to feel a part of the community. It was only after my girls started school and I joined the PTA did we begin to make close friends. There were times I wanted to move back to Montreal, but now I am very happy living here and in fact I have lived longer here {34 years} than I ever lived in Montreal! Besides, there is no one left in Montreal that I grew up with, they have all moved away! Having said that, it is wonderful reconnect and toshare so many great experiences from the past with people from Verdun/Montreal/Cote St.Paul .
hi Les Thanks for your reply The wife and I live in Ontario now, she was from Brown Blv anf I, Crawfordpark..We both have good memories of Verdun. I have seven sisters and a twin brother, all born in Verdun General or Royal Vic hospital. I lived in a upstairs flat and i remember the coal man coming to hoist up the coal to put in our coal shed.. John
hi not sure what e-mail settings i have..going to ask my daughter to look into it..your saying i should have HTML settings eh.
I do go back to Quebec a few times in a year and always visit Crawfordpark and Verdun area. john
Hi Joyce I was born one year before you, 1943.. My father had 9 children and like your father he worked long hours .He worked at CN Rail .He used to walk from clemenceau street to crawfordbridge street to get the 58 bus to go to work.. I do not know of any father that did not work from Crawford..and yes, everybody knew everybody..was a good place to grow up.Do you remember the sirens going off at the Douglas when some escape from there.. ha ha..we use to all run home when that happen.. John
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Hi Joyce Pedder how are you.I am Just going thru VC messages..saw your name and wondering how u are doing...hope all is well..please do drop me a line once in awhile.How is Frank doing. John Taylor john2004@rogers.com
Bob Kotar is in the west island somewhere. Don't know the other names that you mentioned.
how about Kenny Kotar, i use to hang around him at one time..where would he be today..
Just to let you know Kenny Kotar died Jan 2007 in Alberta.
Hello blorraine,....... I have added your friends name to the "In Memoriam' section,.available for anyone to see,whenever they would like I added what I could find of his Obit Notice,......from the Star Phoenix Paper,...if this info isn't correct,then let us know ,& we will be glad to change it,.Also If you have acopy of the complete obit,..or you have more to ad,.then we can post that in the Memoriam Section,.and I will remove the one I have posted hf&rv
That one is fine,thank you for posting it.
That's great then,........if you need a hand with posting anything ,pictures etc etc ,.There is always someone here on the site that is more than Happy to try & help.......................................................................... HF&RV
so sorry to hear that ken past away...i remember him well.how is his brother doing?
John Taylor
Which brother are you talking about?
think his brother name was Bobby Kotar...Is this the same Kotar that lived on foch ave..If I remember right Kenny had lots of freckles..Kenny Kotar once saved my life when i was drowning in the St Lawrence river..His father was a hard working man and strict..very.
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