Bob and Les_F. Yep. Bill Clinton pled guilty to lying to the grand jury and lost his license to practice law in Arkansas. Martha Stewart was found guilty of lying to a Federal Agent about something that wasn't even a crime. Got 5(?) months in jail, plus probabation. The Chief Financial Officer of KPMG(?) pled guilty to partcipating in a 1.3 ($1,300,000,000.00) billion dollar financial fraud. And I really feel sorry for this poor bugger. He got 3, yup, THREE months in jail, a $10,000.00 fine, and 3 years probabtion. Last but not least. We have a person who robbed THOUSAND of panties from coed dorms. He became a suspect in a murder of a girl in one of the dorms. His bail was set at $10,000,000.00. They have since said he is no longer a suspect in that murder. They reduce his bail because they only have the panty charge. Good
deal. His bail is now only $4,000,000.00, YUP 4 million. Is this a wonderful system or what????? Winston
deal. His bail is now only $4,000,000.00, YUP 4 million. Is this a wonderful system or what????? Winston
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My point is that our system is so screwed up. Doesn't matter who you are. There seems to be no uniformity at all. You steal a little and they put you in jail for life. You steal hundreds of millions and you get probation. If you go to trial at all. How about TYCO???? Enron is not done yet. They have already convicted some of them. Now the big guy will be going to trial next year. And that guy better go to jail. Winston
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Morning Bubbacut!
Nothing wrong with DIVORCE when a Marriage is not working, and they can
be cheap. Sometimes it is better to leave with just our SANITY even if we
don't always think so at times. Materials things are not everything and can
be replaced, we & our children can't.
Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Keep Young Tiny Tina
Hi Bob,
Politics really do not differ on either side of the border, just bear in
mind that being a country with 10 times the population of Canada gives us the
right to have scandals 10 times as great!
Without turning this into a nasty debate of which there wouldn't be any
winners anyway, Clinton rode the wave of economical stability and growth
therefore, he has the right to claim responsibility for it. Al Gore invented the
internet and he has repeatedly accepted that responsibility. Both
administrations were/are corrupt. As for the current one, see who are involved
with Haliburton companies, The Carlysle Group and the Skull & Bones
Fraternity of Yale. Take away those members of the administration and all you
have left are the minorities.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/Skull-and-Bones.htm
Look at the first picture and see who is left of the clock.
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Winnie, What is your point? The
fact that Clinton cannot practise law?? Isn't is amazing thatb teh republicans
went after him and his wife for years (can you say Whitewater) but now he is
reformed enough to head the effort to raise money for the hurricane relief.
You forgot teh mention Bush's buddies at Enron. And of course the Haliburton
scam was swept under the carpet. Only shows that they have the same south of
the border as we do. Have money for teh best mouth piece and don't worry about
a few years in the pen Remember Harold Ballard and Club Fed??
Bob
Hi Winston,
I had an Enron style pension plan from Arthur D. Little in Cambridge
Massachusetts. We had a new President & a group of Sr Management come on
board and they felt that the best use for our pension money was to re-invest in
ADL. The trustees of the plan was ADL Inc., so there was no individual name to
be held accountable or responsible. As soon as the $$'s went in, they wrote
themselves BIG bonuses and retention payments to stay on through
the bankrupcy hearings. Although we protested the mismanagement of millions
& millions of employees pension money, the courts felt they were appropriate
and just. They lived locally in beautiful estates, but kept a
small apartment in Florida and listed it as their primary address. There is
much more protection for these types down south and they knew how to use every
loophole in the laws so they could not be touched. I have to say that
things have gotten much better and such a repeat would be much harder to do
today thankfully!
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What about the Bre-x scandal. People got gold fever and lost their shirt. Even the provincial government lost $100 million dollars through the Caisse de Dépot which is our money. One of the founders is living the life of Riley in South America somewhere. The accountant named Walsh died of a heart attack. Nobody was convicted for this fraud. I know of one individual who had $40 million invested and lost everything. I wonder if someone will be jailed for the $70 million missing from the Norbourg Co.
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Gold fever is the best way I can explain it, which makes people greedy. Love and money makes the world go round.
american politicians are corrupt.........
Shayne rainy_day_man_44 , I would change that statement to ,...... POLITICIANS.....are corrupt,...........American politicians hold no #1 status for being corrupt,.....and I believe that some of them actually start out with good intent....but unfortunately....if you look at most of our Canadian Politicians,..as well as most high level Politicians in the US of A,.....are generally lawyers,........and that may be where most problems lie.......Our own PM ( who doesn't OWN CSL anymore........ya right.....has all or most of his fleet of ships registered out of Canada,.......becuase Our tax's are too high ( our corporate tax's,...and those are more generous than Our personal tax's)...............Even Ms Belinda Stronach,has her's and her Fathers Holding's registered outside Canada......Is this illegal...NO,.....is it right .NO......is it Fair......Hardly,.......however that's drifting off the topic.... The Gomery Inquiry is still on going,....(the jury 's still ,so to speak on that one).......Our gov'ts are as corrupt as they come....and that's at the Federal Level,.....Our Provincial Gov'ts could have given lessons, on thievery ...Blatant thievery....I used to think Quebec was so corrupt ,that it was almost comedic,the things they would get away with,....Well BC politicians were paying attention in corruption 101,........becuase I cannot think of a gov't that hasn't had it's own scandal.....So let's at least share the corruption title with our neighbours to the South,.........ps: I still believe that there are some relatively decent political figures around,.....but they will never ( or at least ,it's unlikely that)get in a position of power.....GREED drives the whole set up.........but this is what North America needs and soon.....are two leaders who are actually incharge of their respective part's,....and who are not afraid to do something that may be Politically unpopular,.but good for the People........in anycase ( Just an Opinion) HF&RV
Hi rainy_day_man_44
"american politicians are
corrupt........."
Although I do have sentiments regarding certain politicians here in the
United States, I cannot let that statement slide by. Corruption can be found
anywhere there is an opportunity for personal gain. Sorry to shock you but even
Canada has had its share of corrupt politicians! There are a lot of sincere
people in politics with only the goal of helping others and making their country
a better place. Unfortunately, it is the small number of corrupt ones who garner
the attention.
Regards,
Alan
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Good Morning!
Aren't all Politicians corrupt to a point even our Canadians ?
Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Keep Young Tiny Tina
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Hi Bubbacut, What about Arafat? Reggie Paine
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I wonder how Michael Moore would work out in politics? Jackie-Galt
All the tax money donated to the palestinians by the US over the years
of Arafat's rule were diverted to Arafat's family and a few insider's
swiss bank accounts (est. 2 Billion U.S.) The Arafat's widow continues
to receive 12 million U.S. per year from the estate of this baby killer.
And we actually think we know what is going on in the world by watching
T.V.?
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1201&id=1308842004
"You think your pains and heartbreaks are unprecedented in the history
of the world, but then you read. It was books that taught me that the
things that tormented me were the very things that connected me with
all the people who were alive, or who have ever been alive."
- James Baldwin
Michael Moore and friend. Doesn't Mike have a resemblance to Yassar Arafat.(minus the sheet and headband)? check this site http://www.chickenshop.co.uk/acatalog/masks/masks.htm
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Morning Bubbacut!
This is so true for alot of us. Thought I would share these I've turn
them in to magnets on my fridge, which one can hardle see anymore. They are
old ones from the National Enquirer. " I've been married and I've been
happy......happy is better." (at times it is lonely but when the time is
right we all will meet the right mate I'm sure). The oter is, " Anger is a
thief that steals away the nice moments. Realize you're the one paying those
thieves." This is by Joan Lunden. One other while I've got it down is "Life
is either what we make of it or what it makes of us. The choice is ours." by
Richard C. Miller
Have Fun & Remember Verdun
Keep Young TinY Tina
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I only hope the new Palestinian leaders aren't as corrupt and evil as
Arafat.. Encouraging the young men and women of Palestine to strap a
bomb on themselves to blow up Jewish babies to enrich his own family
is the work of Satan. Much much worse than Al Capone. Btw he died of
heart failure, but there is serious speculation he had HIV.
You may be right though. America may have tried to buy him off. It
would have been much cheaper to take him out I think. But what do I
know? I'm merely a tax payer.
Bill
"Joy can be real only if people look upon their life as a service, and
have a definite object in life outside themselves and their own
personal happiness."
0000,0000,FFFF- Leo Tolstoy
My theory is that ,as soon as Politicians (& lawyers),....heard that 'Justice is Blind'........they started stealing Everything right under her nose...............hahahahahaha HF&RV ............... "Imagination ,..is more Important than Knowledge" ------- Albert Einstein
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"It is nice to crucify a person or people but take a few minutes and
understand that the Isrealis have actually brought a lot of the
problems on themselves. "
It would be difficult to explain this sentiment to a Israeli mother who
had her family vaporized by a suicidal bomber. "It's your own fault
lady".
It is the innocents who suffer, not the money grabbing politicians of
the world whether they be Arab, American or Canadian. That is my take
for what it is worth.
Check out 'Deuce Bigalow 2'. Disgusting toilet humor (yuk!), however
one or two Canadian bashing scenes. Never seen this phenomenon before
in the movies which bothers me. Usually it is the US or the catholic
church who takes the hits and 'never' Canada. Times are changing I
suppose.
Bill
The curious paradox is that when I accept myself just as I am, then I
can change.
*~ Carl Rogers ~*
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As for the overall situation in the Middle East, I don't think we will ever
see peace there in our life time. In a culture that puts more emphasis on how
they die rather than how they lived their life, it is virtually impossible.
I was having a coffee a couple of weeks ago with a small group of friends.
A Seikh, a Hindu, a couple of Christians(American, Canadian and British), a
Muslim, a Russian Jew, an Israeli and a former politician of the overthrown
government of Sudan. It took us about 15 minutes to resolved all the issues
of the world! It is always informative and interesting to hear things from other
perspectives without listening to Rush or Savage!
Hi SecondAve,
If you haven't seen Canada taking a few jabs, be sure to watch South Park
now that it is on mainstream broadcasting!
Alan
Bob you are so right. Killing is killing to this catholic, throw in the
death penalty while I'm at it. Are there no exceptions? I don't know.
The Palestinians could have had a thriving economy had the 'money' went
to enrich the Palestinians and not the family of Arafat. $2,000,000,000
US, could have built many schools (jobs), hospitals (jobs), roads
(jobs), public buildings of every sort (jobs), and of course businesses
(jobs).
Us little people Bob have no clear idea of the truth, except with what
we view on T.V., but Palestine probably is the sacrificial lamb for the
entire Arab world. They want the Jews out dead or alive. The only thing
blocking the Arabs from complete control of the Middle East (oil) are
the 'effen' Jews and their nuclear weapons. That is why the Jews have
these weapons.
If you think gas prices are high now, wait till the Arabs have their
way, and all the Israelis either move to the US, Canada and Western
Europe, or are destroyed by a weapon of mass destruction.
Bill
http://www.jerusalem.muni.il/
A God who allowed Christians to believe that they were better than
savages was a God he wanted no part of.
- Mark Twain.
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The wall? You mean the fence.
Your posts smack of anti semitism, or you're just emulating the device
in the washing machine that churns the wash -- Agitator -- as we used
to say in union work. Have a great weekend Bob.
Bill
"The most effective kind of education is that a child should play
amongst lovely things."
- Plato
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It is very true that there are good and bad in every nationality in this world. After 9/11 there was a strong reaction against a certain stereotyped group. I had the good fortune to have worked with two young Pakistani gentlemen who had been living and working in NYC on September 11th, but with the resulting backlash and constant Police harassment, felt it necessary to come to Canada. They were more polite and easier to work with than some Montreal born employees. Bryan Ferry said it pretty good in his song--Walk a Mile in My Shoes-- If I could be you and you could be me for just one hour
If we could find a way to get inside each other's minds
If you could see you, through my eyes, instead of your ego
I believe you'd be, surprised to see, that you'd been blind
Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
And before you abuse
Criticise and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes
Now the whole world you see around you is just a reflection
And the law of Karma, says you reap, just what you sow
So unless you've, lived a life of total perfection
You'd better be careful of every stone that you should throw
And yet we spend the day throwing stones at one another
'Cause I don't think or wear my hair the same way you do
Well I may be common people but i'm your brother
And when you strike out and try to hurt me it's a-hurtin you
There are people on reservations and out in the ghettos
And brother, there but for the grace of God go you and I
If I only, had the wings, of a little angel
Don't you know I'd fly, to the top of the mountain, and then I'd cry ........mpu.........
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Last Night I went over the entries under the 'Justice' heading ,and found that it sure meanders all over the map ( so to speak) with different viewpoints that often encompass opposing points of view by the same person,...eg: pro arab then almost pro israeli.........I never saw anything that could be construed as a assault on Anyone,............I've almost interpeted some as to be contrary from that persons previous posts ( going back several entries)..........so I appreciate & would certainly encourage everyone to have their own point of view,......but I find that it is taking on an almost 'Challenging' tone ,....and I would think that some members would be hesitant to wade into a title that appears to be a confrontational one,........and I would think that we (VC members) collectively do not want to 'feel uncomfortable' with the direction of any one Topic..................this is a very 'Member Friendly' site....with Everyone Welcome to Jump in at anytime.........and We want it to continue that way,....So I would like to see the end of the present Israeli -Arab war........they couldn't settle it in a couple of thousand years,..........so I doubt it'll make much headway here...............as much as I like spirited debates,we cannot let it go on & risk scaring others from joining in.............besides I think a lot of members,who mostly read the posts everyday,...would tune out,....because the Verdun Connection site is meant more or less as a Social Gathering Place where we can Remember Verdun,& it's Yesteryears,.......and many ,many Topics, without it deteriorating into what sounds confrontational.............Thanks for Understanding........ ( besides we all know ,that there simply is No 'Justice' in the world.............hahahahahahh HF&RV
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Sounds like Bush will perform a little 'act of contrition',,,,,,,I hope the general population doesen't fall for his 'last minute attempt' to ....show responsibility......I find him so transparent & phony , that I cannot understand anyone falling for this guy's jibberish,......he comes across so phony (in my opinion)........and I don't see tomorrow being any different.........but thanks for the update,..... HF&RV
Les, Republican population bashing? Nice.
"Make it a rule of life never to regret and never to look back. Regret
is an appalling waste of energy; you can't build on it; it's only for
wallowing in."
-Katherine Mansfield
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I read and reread Les's post and he definately said BUSH , not a word about republican , I also think Bush is a phoney, put there by big money and a dangerous man for the world , but I certainly dont think all republicans are not nice people . I remember Bush landing on that aircraft carrier ,a nd I could not believe my eyes , the guy is just not my kind of leader , and I agree with Les . hang tough Jimmy
Perhaps people are being too hard on the Prez. Yes, he looks and speaks like a fool. But I believe he is just a puppet.... ......the question is who's rich hand is up his @#% controlling these actions. My sincere apologies to Bert for using his image in this post. It is in no way meant to compare his intelligence with that of Mr.Bush. Disclaimer; The opinions expressed in this message are those of MPU, and do not necessarily reflect those of the Verdun Connections Managers or Members, (but probably do). Have a nice day!!!
We have no idea what is 'really' going on in the White House or the
Pentagon, or in Ottawa for that matter. We are spoon fed biased news
from television. Insulting Bush is insulting every man or woman who
voted for him, and to the V.C. members who may be conservative
Canadians.
This has been the liberal political strategy for too long: Republican
presidents are dumb don't vote for them. Well he was elected twice so
the majority voters must be dumb too is the message I am getting here.
Btw, Bush dumb? The man is the leader of the free world!
Actually if this logic follows, the liberals must be the dumb ones they
keep losing elections.
I recommend the book 'The Making of a President'. Its been around for
30 years I think but it is pertinent for today.
"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they
say, Lo here! or Lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within
you."
Well they say people get the gov't they deserve. I suppose that has happened.
I think many people just look at the USA and see a nation of 250 - 300 million people and say "is the current President the best they coule come up with?".
BobB
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Opinions are like A.H.s everyone has one.
"Kwitchyerbellyakin."
- Irish saying
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Well I read & re-read Les's post as well and I can't find the word Republican in there either,........but I do see the word Bush....now as far as using a time worn phrase to perhaps show some wit,....well I wwould have to think that when Bush gove his version of an 'Act of Contrition' tonight ,he would then be just giving his opinion,......and in this case given most of Bush's speech's & command of the English language,....show first & foremost that He is an A$$$......a wealthy one at that........who can afford to buy 5 supreme court judges ( rebuplican appointees),who decided the first election,.,......the final tally was never completed,....... .............if your going to critique , or chastise,or attempt underhanded insults because (the truth hurts),..or lack of anything else to say,...then I allow me to repeat a line from a comedian I heard one night in A Comedy Club,...in Scaramento........he was being 'Heckled' constantly by some clown in the audience (who didn't like what was being said.......oddly enough most everyone else enjoyed it).............but the Comedian,..who now had enough ( as did the audience) decided to fire back one shot.............He said ''''''Well everyone ,this morning when I got up,.& put my pants on,....I thought that my a$$ was in my pants,........but apparently he's sitting way over there'............................. funny thing was I think he was pointing out towards the mid south pacific. ............................ .....................Have Fun & Remember Verdun...................hahahahahahaha
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SecondAvenue; I believe you are mistaken in your quote..."Opinions are like A.H.s everyone has one".....according to WWW.pedisurg.com there is a medical condition where your theory is shown not to be true....... IMPERFORATE ANUS What is imperforate anus? Imperforate anus is the absence of a normal anal opening. The diagnosis is usually made shortly after birth by a routine physical examination. Imperforate anus occurs in about 1 in 5000 births and its cause is unknown. I have not been able to verify if the same ratio exists for people without an opinion. If anyone does find this info or has an opinion on this subject please feel free to express it. America and Canada still have freedom of speech laws as far as I know of. mpu
Maybe we should start a subject heading.......for A** H**** only. In this way we could share our opinions without offending anybody that does not wish to enter this section. Any comments or dare I say....."opinions"?????? mpu
Yes one objection , if were going to segraegate,.....can we put (in our opinion) the ah's who should be inthe topic heading,,,,,why should it be the opposite.........hahahahha ........HF&RV & Stir the Pot when needed........hahahahha
Objection Sustained!, next opinion............................? Come on, don't be shy, no one will laugh at you. I believe one of the goals of V.C. is to laugh with you, it works for me...................................... mpu
"I have not been able to verify if the same ratio exists for people
without an opinion. If anyone does find this info or has an opinion on
this subject please feel free to express it. America and Canada still
have freedom of speech laws as far as I know of.
mpu"
MPU, Freedom of speech: i.e. except for 'certain' subjects. I get
blasted when I try and discuss gays in the catholic priesthood, and my
last contribution yesterday on this important subject to practicing
catholics was wiped of the site. So censorship is alive and well good
buddies.
In regards to Bush Bashing: If drooling with hate is your thing, well
have at it my friends. If I personally do not like it, tough, but I
defend your right to express yourselves. How about the same rights to
opposing thoughts as well?
Bill
"Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another:
What! You, too? Thought I was the only one."
- Clive Staples Lewis
Censorship is at an all time low on this site,...,,,,,,,,if something starts to go in a direction where it can only lead to bashing of sorts,.then we reserve the right, to stop it in it's tracks.....everyone story has two sides,....I 'wiped out that stream' simply because it was early in the Topic,.with 5 entries,...and it seems it was not going to be very productive,......as for your 'allowing us' to have at 'er on some very much in the news topics ,that had many responses,........I want to Thank You for your Permission,........If you go back to day one of all the messages on the message boards you will see that nothing gets stopped ,there are many Topics ,with only 1 or 2 replies,....that means there was little or no interest,...but they were left on .......I have posted persoanlly 'thousands' of links, pictures,& topic suggestions,....not all of them met with a lot of interest,.some did ,......but the ones that were directly going to possibly hurt or alienate anyone on this site ........Yes were stopped quickly,....I like to think I have a reasoanble 'sense of fair play'........and I will continue to monitor what I can,....along with Sharon ,....and both of us do it to hel;p everyone here on this site,.............and we were asked to help manage by MaggieMck,....and if Maggie would like some extra help from you or anyone else I'm sure she will be happy to ask..........I've been quite happy to help over the years,.and I have fun doing it,finding new stuff is fun......and keeping the site free from plenty of things that plague & kill most sites,.....has been an ongoing effort by us all.......in order to have a site that is fun and entertaining to all........... and being a man who appears to appreciate quotes,here's one for you (and the recent topics ) .......Me Thinks Thow Doth , Protest too Much...... William Shakespear, hahahahahahaha Now try to Have Fun & Remember Verdun
".but the ones that were directly going to possibly hurt or alienate
anyone on this site ........Yes were stopped quickly,....I like to
think I have a reasoanble 'sense of fair play'........and I will
continue to monitor what I can,"
Les.
Les. I have never doubted your important contribution to the site,
The censored URL was of a published article from the 'New York Times'.
I never did express my own opinion one way or the other. The piece
concerned the Vatican's ongoing effort to stop the influx of gays into
the seminaries. There are millions of us catholics here and elsewhere,
so I assumed it would be of interest to some. If not, it would have
died on the vine as so many other topics do. If there are catholics
interested in this topic, I would suggest going the the N.Y. Times
site, or any major newspaper for that matter, and check it out for
yourselves. It is todays news!
Bill
Love cures people--both the ones who give it and the ones who receive
it.
--Karl Menninger
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..........and that NYTIMES site is available, through one of the links I posted as well,.it's a newspapers on line site,......and your right publishing the link was not the issue I didn't discriminate, on the one particlar msg ( yours with the link ) I broomed the whole 5 entries,... for those who do have an interest in the story you mentioned or any other story , here is the NewYork Times link..... http://www.nytimes.com/ Hope it's of interest. HF&RV
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Thank you Les for the URL. I think the unheard V.C. majority interested
in this topic, or N.Y. Times in general, will appreciate it. keep up
the good work.
Bill Cooper.
May the Grace of Aloha pervade your soul, that you may, with a happy
heart and a rejoicing spirit, do the Lord's work with your life.
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Opinions
are like A.H.s everyone has one.
..... "and they are usually full of $#!+!
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Bubbacut; If you are refering to GWB, fine, but if you are refering to any member of VC, I feel this is going too far................... From: bubbacut Sent: 16/09/2005 5:34 PM Alan, In this case not usually. He is always Please clarify. Thanks, Ralph (MPU)
I wouild venture an opinion that this thread has gone far enough , after all we are here to enjoy each others company , and yeah, we have different opinions, this is getting a bit out of hand and hurts friendship , in my opinion , I think this thread has outlived its usefulllness Jimmy
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All the evidence is not in, but it appears that Secretary of State Rice may have slept with G.W. Will send details when they become available; all I have now is this photo...
Fresco750 That is just too funny.
Mom1945, Thanks Linda. Glad you enjoyed. Walter
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Thanks Betty. Glad you enjoyed. Walter
Walter; My guess is that she was not impressed. At least it is bigger than his brain. mpu
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