Those who believe .. this may be of
interest ing viewing ....
interest ing viewing ....
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ReplyDeleteHere are some other sites with Avro content http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/avro.htm also here is another site as well , there are many under Avro including one about Canada's first 'Flying Saucer' ,,,which coincidentally was underfunded & dropped by our illustrious gov't at the time ...........but was immediately backed by the US military & funded properly .........hmmmmmm maybe that's why there are so many sightings of 'Saucers' that don't exist,...........hahahaha www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/mufonontario/avro/avrocar/html Hope there of some interest to anyone
ReplyDeleteI received the Avro Arrow tapes from CBC Saturday. I watched the movie
ReplyDeleteand the documentary. The conclusion, the failure was all Canada's
doing. The Diefenbaker government blew it trying to save money! I'll
attempt to come up with a more detailed post later this week if anyone
is interested.
btw wasn't someone going to scan VHS yearbooks from the 50s? Just
asking.
Bill
"A bit of perfume always clings to the hand that gives the rose."
- Chinese proverb
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ReplyDeleteHi Ed (esiteman) I believe much of what you saw is on this website http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-275-1403/science_technology/avro/clip5 there are other vid clips available on this CBC site and you just have to follow the links.............. there is also another site with Dief's perspective...... http://www.vectorsite.net/avarrow.html you may be interested in this one as well http://www.avroarrow.org/ Hope they all work , if not it's a slight variation in the url .......
ReplyDeletein response to it being scrapped merely due to $$$ , it 's of interest to note that the Dief gov't had already agreed to purchase BOMARC misssiles (whose guidance systen was suspect) and so consequently had no intention (due to affordability)of supporting both the Avro & the BOMARC systems (which incidentally was quietly terminated within a couple of years of there being purchased (we will never know which was the bigger waste.......
ReplyDeleteHere is some more info on the Avro Arrow.
ReplyDeleteThe Canadian government finally scrapped the faulty Bomark missile that
had replaced the Arrow at a cost of 200 million dollars.
Then quietly purchased from the US 64 used Voodoo jet fightersbarely
capable of mach 1 for 200 million.
For these funds 130 Arrows could have been put into service.
The American F-18 presently the most advanced aircraft of the RCAF
still falls short of performance levels expected of the Arrow 206 in
1959!
More to follow.
B.C.
On Black Friday 1100 A.M. february 20th 1959, 14,000 men and women lost
ReplyDeletetheir jobs in Malton Ontario with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow.
Shortly thereafter 35,000 jobs were lost in support industries.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-521-2573-10/science_technology/
diefenbaker_arrow/
Below are a few of the Brain Drains from Canada to the
ReplyDeleteUS after the shut down of the Avro Arrow. I type with two fingers
otherwise I'd have put down many more Canadian engineers and
scientists. The cream of
the crop lost to the US forever, and I cannot blame the US
aeronautical industries recruiting these genius Canadians either. They
know a good thing when they see it, not so the Canadian government. I
remain proud to have been born in Canada and feel a sense of pride to
think Canada was a pioneer in aeronautical research designing and
building a jet fighter capable of out maneuvering any jet fighter in
the world bar none.
Btw I now have the complete set of CBC tapes on the Arrow.
Bill Cooper 2nd Avenue.
Jim Chamberlin born Kamloops B.C.
Head of NASA Engineering Div. and head of a team of 33 Avro engineers.
Helped spearhead the Gemini and the Apollo manned space programs to the
moon. Died Houston 1981.
Jack Woodman Born Saskatoon retired from the RCAF became director of
flight testing for Lockheed aircraft. Died Calif. 1987.
James Floyd. Born England. Senior designer of the UK SST became the
Anglo -- French ‘Concorde’. Lives in Canada.
Crawford Gordon industrial genius who was the driving force behind the
Arrow construction. Born Winnipeg. Fired as president after the Arrow
cancellation. He died dejected and penniless in New York in 1967 of
cirrhosis of the liver.
Bob Lindley. Nasa Director of Engineering and Operations for manned
Space Flight.
Owlm Maynard. Nasa Space task Force. Chief of engineering/ Design of
the LLM. Lunar Landing Module.
John Hodges. Flight Director of the gemini and Apollo programs.
Tex Roberts. Head of space Task Force’s Trajectory Group in Mission
Control Center.
John Sandford. Director of Engineering. North American Aviation Space
Shuttle Launch Systems.
Mario Pfsando. Nasa Senior engineering Scientists. Saturn 5 project.
On and on and on. Thousands of Canadian Avro employees.
Avro origins?
ReplyDeleteI have two DVD copies of the Arrow movie with Dan Akroyd. If anyone
would enjoy a copy I'd be more than willing to mail it on. All I'd need
of course is an address.
Take care,
Bill Cooper
" History will be Kind to me -- for I intend to write it"
...Sir Winston Churchill
This from an American aviation buff (USAF)
ReplyDeleteBill
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I had watched the Avro featurettes, but not the mini-series. I finally
got to watch that a couple of days ago. My computer keeps locking up
on DVDs, so I had to purchase a TV and a DVD player. I got a 20" flat
screen TV, and a DVD player from Walmart for less than $200 total. For
that price I can throw them away if they break after a couple of years.
I really liked the mini-series. Dan Ackroyd was great. It is really
sad that the Canadian government destroyed the planes, plans, and
everything else related to the Arrow. That was very short-sighted.
The featurettes were pretty cool. One wonders what would have happened
if the plane had gone into production. It was also amazing at how many
key NASA and aerospace engineers in America came from that company.
That was a terrible drain on Canadian brain-power.
I'll be sending the DVD to my dad next week, who as you know was a WW2
pilot. I'm going to try and store the files on my computer, so I can
watch it again when I want to.
Kelly
A little more info on Canada's lost chance to be one of the worlds top aeronautical industrial nations. Plus a nice video of the jet fighter. If you can't click the URL merely copy/paste it to your search engine.
ReplyDeleteSecond Avenue
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=avro+arrow&search=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Arrow